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  • #16
    Originally posted by mpriestnall View Post
    Here's my initial wording:

    Did the victorian police/authorities know the identity of Jack the Ripper?
    • Jack;s identity was known to parts of the police/authorities after the murders and supressed it.
    • Jack's identify was known to parts of the police/authorities during the murders and supressed it.
    • Jack's identify was not known to the police/authorities.
    • Not sure / don't know.

    Unless someone can improve this before I drink my current, nearly full, diet coke, I'll go with this.

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    APerno, loved your phrase "nuanced to death". I think KISS is the way go. People will nuance it anyway. I know I would.

    Cheers,

    Martyn







    OK, here I go, sorry. -- What if I believe in a Free Mason conspiracy (which I don't) with no connection to Scotland Yard or other official authority. I got no choice to pick from.

    It is somewhat reasonable to believe that a conspiracy outside of the police may have been at play (I don't).

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    • #17


      The best and most interesting conspiracy theories come out of Berkeley, CA., which isn¡¯t exactly a conservative enclave.

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      • #18
        Hi Simon,

        borrowing from this study, do you see your own conspiracy theory as promoting “"prejudice, witch hunts, revolutions, and genocide….”?"


        It sounds like you have a lot on your plate.

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        • #19
          Hi RJ,

          I'm not certain about revolutions and genocide.

          A conspiracy requires a reason, a punch-line. A and B did whatever, so that C would never suspect that D murdered E. I've been reading about the murder of Himmler in 1945. But he committed suicide, I hear you cry. He bit down on a cyanide capsule. Really? There's a lot of evidence to the contrary, even when you discount the forged documents planted in the P.R.O. Or were these documents planted as part of the conspiracy? It's hard to tell which way is up.

          And so it is with the Whitechapel murders, which had nothing to do with a sexual maniac.

          Perhaps if we took a breath and stopped trying to identify the man who never was, we might discover what was actually going on.

          If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd have a theory. I don't, but still believe there was a conspiracy afoot.
          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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          • #20
            What if there’s a conspiracy to distort the results of the poll.
            Regards

            Herlock






            "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact!"

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            • #21
              OMG! What if?
              Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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              • #22
                The targets (the prostitutes) don't lend themselves to a conspiracy theory; right from the get go you have to involve powerful people with what was (as rude as it might sound) a series of 19th Century crack ho's and that usually does not happen. These women simply did not live important enough lives to become a fatal part of anybody's conspiracy.

                Every theory starts off with some kind of Alien Space Bat logic and then from there figures out how to become even more illogical.


                Annie Crook has a Catholic child who would ascend to the throne, except she legally couldn't and was actuality raised Anglican . . .

                The homosexual Cleveland Street brothel becomes heterosexual so Mary Kelly could be employed there and see a gay 'Eddy' in action . . .

                The Fenians were sowing seeds of socialist discord to overthrow Victoria by killing whores, when in reality, in just a couple of years, they would do real damage at The New Scotland Yard HQ . . .

                It was Churchill's father, based solely on the testimony of a strange (maybe homeless) man who couldn't explain why he was hanging outside Miller's Court most of the murder night . . . nice distraction, score one for him . . .

                Matthews, Anderson, and Warren all become high ranking Free Masons when in reality only Warren was a FM . . .

                The Jews were willing to look the other way for six murders because they feared more 'Lipski' bad press . . .


                and then to think these are not the actions of a sexual maniac suffering from piquerism is to deny all the forensic evidence.




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                • #23
                  Originally posted by APerno View Post
                  Every theory starts off with some kind of Alien Space Bat logic
                  Great way to put it, and a glorious turn of phrase
                  Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                  "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by APerno View Post

                    The homosexual Cleveland Street brothel becomes heterosexual so Mary Kelly could be employed there and see a gay 'Eddy' in action . . .

                    What if Mary was really a boy? She's described as having an uppercut that could knock down a horse, details of her prior life are sketchy at best, and there's always been some doubt that the dead woman found in Miller's court was really Mary...
                    - Ginger

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                    • #25
                      Hi, the poll is up.

                      APerno, thanks for your suggestions. I generalised the answers so voters can expand the whos and whys etc.

                      Poll is tagged 'Conspiracy".

                      The votes for a conspiracy is in the lead at the moment...

                      Martyn

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mpriestnall View Post
                        Hi, the poll is up.

                        APerno, thanks for your suggestions. I generalised the answers so voters can expand the whos and whys etc.

                        Poll is tagged 'Conspiracy".

                        The votes for a conspiracy is in the lead at the moment...

                        Martyn
                        The FAQ subforum, I suspect, is probably not the best place to have put that. Per the desc:

                        For questions regarding CASEBOOK use and applications ONLY. This is NOT for general Ripper-related questions--Off-TOPIC THREADS WILL BE DELETED!!
                        - Ginger

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                        • #27
                          Hi Ginger,

                          Thanks for pointing that out. I clearly put the poll in the wrong place. I'll ask admin to relocate it appropriately.

                          Martyn

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ginger View Post

                            What if Mary was really a boy? She's described as having an uppercut that could knock down a horse, details of her prior life are sketchy at best, and there's always been some doubt that the dead woman found in Miller's court was really Mary...
                            We shouldn't presume to know which gender MJK identified as.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Harry D View Post

                              We shouldn't presume to know which gender MJK identified as.
                              Quite.
                              - Ginger

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                              • #30
                                How patronising to women.You can't impose 21st century gender concepts on the the 19th century, Mary Kelly, shock! was a woman. She may have been quite strong, it may surprise you to know that many working class women were very strong, they did jobs like coal heaving, moving goods to market stalls, carried heavy weights, even housemaids engaged in physical labour and carried buckets of water, coal etc up and down stairs, and from the accounts i have read of female fights could throw a good punch. Arthur Mumby loved the physical strength of Hannah Cullwick the servant he secretly married.

                                Miss Marple

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