Who is this "notorious woman"?

[Bridewell]

LOL. I wanted you to do it from scratch, Colin. Not through being mean, just that I started from a marriage and worked through the census entries like that,I was satisfied I had the right people in some census entries but unsure about what happened in 1881 and wanted someone to repeat the exercise and see if they got the same results.
What if I said Ann Morriss was originally Ann Tabram...would that help?

Hi Debs,

Interesting! I'll send you a PM.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Beowulf]

Thanks. Five years more off than on!
Your recognising the picture as Dr. Barnado was brilliant and has got me very curious now. Dr.Barnado viewed Elizabeth Stride's body at the mortuary and claimed she had been amongst a group of women he talked to at a lodging house so he was 'in the thick of things' to some extent.
Maybe Barnado's likeness was sketched for some sort of prank seeing as the illustration appeared in the US press? It's all very odd and very intriguing.

A few of Dr. Barnardo's Homes for boys and girls were on Commercial Road, up Commercial Road from where Stride was found murdered and of course in Whitechapel.

http://www.goldonian.org/photos/photo_archive_homes/old_homes_eng.htm

[Debra A]

A few of Dr. Barnardo's Homes for boys and girls were on Commercial Road, up Commercial Road from where Stride was found murdered and of course in Whitechapel.

http://www.goldonian.org/photos/phot..._homes_eng.htm

There's no doubt he was in the area and personally involved to some extent by visiting the mortuary to see Stride's body.

It would be very interesting to try and discover the circumstances under which the US newspaper printed a sketch of Barnardo and captioned it 'latest photograph of the Ripper'.

[Debra A]

Hi Debs,

Interesting! I'll send you a PM.

Regards, Bridewell.

Hi Colin,
Thanks, got the PM, and thanks for taking the time to look at the Thomas and Ann Morriss in the census. I've explained things a little more in my reply.

[Lechmere]

70 and 72 Oxford Street must be what is now Stepney Way - it was renamed in 1938 but kept the same street numbers.
The Artichoke Pub (now closed) is at 91 Stepney Way - on the corner with Sidney Street. I used to go in their quite often in the 1980s
The Oxford Arms (now demolished) was a tiny pub at 43 Stepney Way - behind the Post Office on Whitechapel Road. It could literally only hold about six customers.
So I would place 70-72 on the south side of Oxford Street just before the junction with Sidney Street (i.e. west of Sidney Street).

[Rob Clack]

70 and 72 Oxford Street must be what is now Stepney Way - it was renamed in 1938 but kept the same street numbers.
The Artichoke Pub (now closed) is at 91 Stepney Way - on the corner with Sidney Street. I used to go in their quite often in the 1980s
The Oxford Arms (now demolished) was a tiny pub at 43 Stepney Way - behind the Post Office on Whitechapel Road. It could literally only hold about six customers.
So I would place 70-72 on the south side of Oxford Street just before the junction with Sidney Street (i.e. west of Sidney Street).

According to the directories, 70 and 72 were located here.
The street ran odds and evens and while 70 and 72 are not listed themselves, probably they were just dwellings. 66 and 68 were listed and they were on the East and West corner of Russell Street.



Rob

[DRoy]

Wow! The research that you all do truly is amazing! Thanks so much!

If it is indeed a picture of Dr. Barnardo, wouldn't the US press know that? They got the story and the picture/drawing from someone and I'm assuming it came from London. Wouldn't Dr. Barnardo be recognized by whomever it was that shared all this information?

Cheers
DRoy

[Beowulf]

This from The Pittsburgh Dispatch November 2, 1890

I'm not familiar with this story so perhaps someone can shed some light on who this woman may be.

Is this just another wanna-be who has determined who Jack is through no real reasoning or fact finding? Or another journalist in a different land making up a good story?

Does "Jack" look like anyone we know?

Cheers
DRoy

DRoy,

How did you get this press report? Do you own it?

[DRoy]

DRoy,

How did you get this press report? Do you own it?

No I found it online. As noted in the earlier posts, it has been found a couple of times prior to me! I'm not sure if they have originals or not.

DRoy

[Nemo]

Although I'd agree that the sketch appears to show the piping on Barnado's suit, and therefore is likely to be him, there is another person who looks just like the sketch

You can see him in the photos prior to pg 175 in the Diary of JtR

It's a sketch of people at the Maybrick trial and the person in question is labelled (I think) Dr M Morrel

[Debra A]

Although I'd agree that the sketch appears to show the piping on Barnado's suit, and therefore is likely to be him, there is another person who looks just like the sketch

You can see him in the photos prior to pg 175 in the Diary of JtR

It's a sketch of people at the Maybrick trial and the person in question is labelled (I think) Dr M Morrel

That's interesting, Nemo. Are you able to post the pic at all?
I thought you meant Dr Morrell McKenzie at first, he had similar whiskers too, though not as bushy and he didn't wear glasses.

[Nemo]

I'll have a go now Deb - just need to charge my camera up a bit and access Flickr I think

[Nemo]

Here goes...

(I'm not very fluent with Flickr)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/86829465@N04/7950493428/

[Nemo]

Would someone like to download that pic and make it appear in the thread please?

Thanks in advance

[Nemo]

The Dr at the Maybrick trial is definitely older and balder but those national health glasses and the large side whiskers may have been in fashion or something