What is a ripperologist?

[Robert]

I suppose we are all used to the term "Ripperologist" now and don't give it a second thought. Similarly, "Beatles" was originally a pun but people soon ceased to be aware of the pun, using the term almost as a name like "John" or "Mary." But I imagine in the early days the idea of attaching "ologist" to the outlandish word "Ripper" must have given people a bit of a jolt. Psychologist, anthropologist, biologist....Ripperologist!?

[John Bennett]

Of course. That's why not many serious Ripperologist have taken part in this debate.

Many Ripperologists, 'serious' or otherwise don't even use the message boards!

[ChrisGeorge]

Many Ripperologists, 'serious' or otherwise don't even use the message boards!

Some people just like to be Flippantologists.

I suppose we are all used to the term "Ripperologist" now and don't give it a second thought. Similarly, "Beatles" was originally a pun but people soon ceased to be aware of the pun, using the term almost as a name like "John" or "Mary." But I imagine in the early days the idea of attaching "ologist" to the outlandish word "Ripper" must have given people a bit of a jolt. Psychologist, anthropologist, biologist....Ripperologist!?

Robert, I am not sure the name "Beatles" was ever a pun, though it did reflect the "Merseybeat" wave that came out of Liverpool. Don't forget that the group earlier, in 1962, went by the name of "Silver Beatles." The name might be traced back to March 1960, when new group member Stuart Sutcliffe, an art college friend of John Lennon's, came up with the name "Beatals," a play on the name of Buddy Holly's back-up band, the Crickets.

All the best

Chris

[Rubyretro]

Robert, I am not sure the name "Beatles" was ever a pun, though it did reflect the "Merseybeat" wave that came out of Liverpool. Don't forget that the group earlier, in 1962, went by the name of "Silver Beatles." The name might be traced back to March 1960, when new group member Stuart Sutcliffe, an art college friend of John Lennon's, came up with the name "Beatals," a play on the name of Buddy Holly's back-up band, the Crickets.

All the best

Chris[/QUOTE]

Er...that was still a pun, Chris...unless you're suggesting that is how we spell 'beetle' ?

[ChrisGeorge]

Er...that was still a pun, Chris...unless you're suggesting that is how we spell 'beetle' ?

Well maybe. Thanks, Ruby. I am looking more at the operative part of the word, "Beat" which probably would have been more important for the band members and fans involved in the Beat boom of the early Sixties.

C

[Rubyretro]

[QUOTE]

Well maybe. Thanks, Ruby. I am looking more at the operative part of the word, "Beat" which probably would have been more important for the band members and fans involved in the Beat boom of the early Sixties.

..but doesn't relate to The Crickets...unless you make a pun of it by adding an ending that makes it sound like Beetles.

[John Bennett]

[QUOTE=Rubyretro;200988]

..but doesn't relate to The Crickets...unless you make a pun of it by adding an ending that makes it sound like Beetles.

As a 'Beatle-ologist' (woops, see earlier in this thread), I believed that the 'Beetles' name was a direct hommage to Buddy Holly. McCartney was certainly a Holly afficionado.

[ChrisGeorge]

[QUOTE=John Bennett;200990]

As a 'Beatle-ologist' (woops, see earlier in this thread), I believed that the 'Beetles' name was a direct hommage to Buddy Holly. McCartney was certainly a Holly afficionado.

Hi John

Obviously all those guys were lovers of the music of Buddy Holly, the Everly Brothers, Chuck Berry, etc., so I don't think it was just McCartney. You may have missed my post above where I said that the first variation of the name "Beatals" was suggested by Stuart Sutcliffe in Spring 1960. The genius of the Beatles and other British rock groups was bringing rock and roll back to the USA where it had fallen into decay with the Payola scandal and the rise of Doo-Whop.

Chris

[John Bennett]

[QUOTE=ChrisGeorge;200995]

Hi John

Obviously all those guys were lovers of the music of Buddy Holly, the Everly Brothers, Chuck Berry, etc., so I don't think it was just McCartney. You may have missed my post above where I said that the first variation of the name "Beatals" was suggested by Stuart Sutcliffe in Spring 1960. The genius of the Beatles and other British rock groups was bringing rock and roll back to the USA where it had fallen into decade with the Payola scandal and the rise of Doo-Whop.

Chris

Yes, that is true. Funnily enough (and perhaps more in keeping with this thread) is the way the Beatles' music was analysed, even in their own time, in ways in which the Fab Four could not really appreciate. The suspended minor fourth in such-and-such a song, for example and the well respected book 'Revolution In the Head', which, as interesting as it is, turns the Beatles into something they probably weren't.

'Overworking' the Ripper story seems to do similar things...

JB

[ChrisGeorge]

Yes, that is true. Funnily enough (and perhaps more in keeping with this thread) is the way the Beatles' music was analysed, even in their own time, in ways in which the Fab Four could not really appreciate. The suspended minor fourth in such-and-such a song, for example and the well respected book 'Revolution In the Head', which, as interesting as it is, turns the Beatles into something they probably weren't.

'Overworking' the Ripper story seems to do similar things...

JB

Hi John

Yes sure it's possible to over analyze anything. You might recall that the Beatles were astonished when some music critic wrote about the "Aeoilian cadence" in their music. I am sure as a lad from a humble background in Liverpool that would have thrown me for a loop as well.

All the best

Chris

[Tom_Wescott]

Clearly, Ripperologists should not be depended upon to solve the mysteries of band name origins or message board quote functions. Good thing they found their niche.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[John Bennett]

"Aeoilian cadence"

THAT's the phrase I was looking for...!

[Carol]

Well maybe. Thanks, Ruby. I am looking more at the operative part of the word, "Beat" which probably would have been more important for the band members and fans involved in the Beat boom of the early Sixties.

C

I think I can consider myself one of their earliest fans being a teenager (16) when 'Twist and Shout' first came out in 1962. I always connected their name with 'beat' and it was not until I saw a documentary a few years ago that mentioned the supposed name association with Buddy Holly's Crickets that I realised there was a second meaning.

Carol

[ChrisGeorge]

"Aeoilian cadence"

THAT's the phrase I was looking for...!

Hi John

I knew it was on the tip of your tongue which is why I helped you out.

Cheers

Chris

[Carol]

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+QUOTE=John Bennett;201001]"Aeoilian cadence"

THAT's the phrase I was looking for...![/QUOTE]

Hi Chris or John,

What does 'aeoilian' mean? Thank you. (I daren't leave this Laptop to look it up as we've never had one before and it keeps outwitting me).

Carol