Accusations of a Ripper "cabal" (Moved from another thread)

[Ally]

Well they have enough gobby individuals already I am sure you will be the icing on the cake, and of course when the cake starts to crumble the icing falls off first.

So Trevor, managed to come up with a single shred of support yet? No? Didn't think so.

You really don't do well and just holding your tongue so as not to make yourself look more the buffoon do you?

Maybe I should spell it out:

YOu made an accusation. You were asked to back it up. You acted like a dancing monkey.

You keep putting up stupidity, and every time you do, it just points out to any objective person how little support you have for your claims. Every time you post anything other than an objective rationale, it is just one more nail in the coffin of your credibility.

It's like watching a man commit suicide, by slicing his throat, one micromillimeter at a time.

[PaulB]

'muppet'. 'gobby individuals'. cage rattled.

[Stewart P Evans]

The Muppets

Yep. Ideally we Muppets would have liked to have published the AV in full in the New A to Z, ditto the Davies report, but we didn't have space to publish either in full and were not given permission to publish more than what we did in the case of the latter. Keith has done a lot of research into this for a client. One can't always do as one wants. Mind you, you have a copy and I have a copy and other good folk have copies. And Trevor might have got a copy if he'd bothered to ask, but he didn't and hasn't.
Chief Muppet Extraordinary.

Paul, fancy you letting everyone know that our code name is 'The Muppets'. Trevor only guessed at that.

[Stewart P Evans]

Somehow...

Well they have enough gobby individuals already I am sure you will be the icing on the cake, and of course when the cake starts to crumble the icing falls off first.

Somehow I can't imagine Ally as icing.

[PaulB]

I think that there are going to be some disappointed people when it is published, something of an anti-climax in fact.

Yep. Ideally we Muppets would have liked to have published the AV in full in the New A to Z, ditto the Davies report, but we didn't have space to publish either in full and were not given permission to publish more than what we did in the case of the latter. Keith has done a lot of research into this for a client. One can't always do as one wants. Mind you, you have a copy and I have a copy and other good folk have copies. And Trevor might have got a copy if he'd bothered to ask, but he didn't and hasn't.

Chief Muppet Extraordinary.

[Stewart P Evans]

I thought...

Hah! you will rue the day when I infiltrate and throw you over as Lord High Commander of Secrecy and Woe and Floggings.

I thought that you'd already done that. Well, at least the woe and floggings part.

[Trevor Marriott]

Thanks for the info Paul, I look forward to the day. I also look forward to the day when my application to the cartel is accepted so please put a rush on...?

Well they have enough gobby individuals already I am sure you will be the icing on the cake, and of course when the cake starts to crumble the icing falls off first.

[Ally]

Yes, I did second Ally's application Paul.

Hah! you will rue the day when I infiltrate and throw you over as Lord High Commander of Secrecy and Woe and Floggings.

[Stewart P Evans]

Disappointed

I think that there are going to be some disappointed people when it is published, something of an anti-climax in fact.

[Stewart P Evans]

Yes...

Thanks for the info Paul, I look forward to the day. I also look forward to the day when my application to the cartel is accepted so please put a rush on...?

Yes, I did second Ally's application Paul.

[PaulB]

Thanks for the info Paul, I look forward to the day. I also look forward to the day when my application to the cartel is accepted so please put a rush on...?

An application form is in the post. Once returned you'll be warmly welcomed as a card-carrying member. And I don't think the day is far off.

[Ally]

Actually, Ally, the original belongs to a private individual and not publishing it is out of courtesy to him. That it would be published has always been intended and permissions were being sought - I understand that Keith was actually in communication with AV's owner when Trevor got involved - and I understand that it will be published sooner rather than later. There's nothing secret about it.

Thanks for the info Paul, I look forward to the day. I also look forward to the day when my application to the cartel is accepted so please put a rush on...?

[PaulB]

No one has said it isn't up to Keith. It is entirely up to Keith to publish his copy. There are other copies out there though I understand. And while the decision to publish or not to publish remains with those who hold the copies (after all none of this material is copyrighted), the rest of us are allowed to pass judgment on their reasons for doing so. And when their reasons are petty, (as you yourself said, the material would have been published long ago if not for Trevor)...well we have the right to consider those reasons petty.

Everyone is responsible for their own decisions. Trevor may well be a horse's ass of the first order and he is entirely responsible for his actions.

But everyone else is equally responsible for their actions and if you think the blame for the fact that this material hasn't been published will fall on Trevor, that's not going to happen.

He doesn't have the material, therefore, he has no say in whether it is published or not, so he gets neither the blame for it not being published, nor the credit when it eventually is, if it ever is.

Actually, Ally, the original belongs to a private individual and not publishing it is out of courtesy to him. That it would be published has always been intended and permissions were being sought - I understand that Keith was actually in communication with AV's owner when Trevor got involved - and I understand that it will be published sooner rather than later. There's nothing secret about it.

[Ally]

It's not a case of what I think, but is there really any blame to be allocated? Unfortunately the intention was to publish on these boards (steps had been taken to do this) and then Trevor 'queered the pitch', so people can make what they will of that.

This is the point where I disagree. I disagree that Trevor "queered the pitch". A jackass in the stands screaming insults at the pitcher is merely a jackass in the stands screaming uselessly and a professional doesn't let a momentary gnat get in the way of his delivery.

Trevor is a gnat, easily batted aside. What the "matter of principle" is, I really cannot fathom. We were going to do this, but Trevor is an ass, so no we aren't. Who knew this capering buffoon was so powerful?

Hmm...maybe HE's the cartel, dedicated to keeping everything secret and hush hush.

But again, this is of course pure opinion you are right and everyone is entitled to disagree.

[Trevor Marriott]

Touch a nerve, did he Trev?

Far from it old bean take more than that. You know i have nerves of steel

Some people just never know when to stop I think you should take him in hand might stop him keep taking himself in hand.