Accusations of a Ripper "cabal" (Moved from another thread)

[Ally]

My my the gods are upset again today. I hope you havent laid awake all night worrying about this. You should chill out relax enjoy your twilight years all this huffing and puffing you do, you will give yourslelf a coronary.

I hope that common sense will now prevail

Excellent, so glad to hear you are coming down for common sense from here on out.

So Trevor, is there a single shred of evidence, proof or fact that backs up your continued assertions of an active conspiracy on the part of Ripper authors and researchers as some sort of grand money and or fame making machine?

[Ally]

True, I guess it's a case of reaping what he has sown.

His aggressive stance has won him no friends and actually defeated the object he wished to achieve, i.e. seeing publication on these boards of the 'Aberconway version'.

Sorry Stewart but this, I disagree with. There are several other people who have asked or wish to see the Aberconway version and punishing everyone because Trevor behaves aggresively when asking for things is just as spiteful and petty on the part of those who have it as Trevor is capable of being.

It does absolutely no good when people flat out say that they are withholding the Aberconway version as some kind of teaching moment for the entire class because there's one clown who keeps acting up.

[Trevor Marriott]

Excellent, so glad to hear you are coming down for common sense from here on out.

So Trevor, is there a single shred of evidence, proof or fact that backs up your continued assertions of an active conspiracy on the part of Ripper authors and researchers as some sort of grand money and or fame making machine?

I dont recall anything being mentioned about a conspiracy and besides one of the ingredients of a conspiracy is simply a need to prove an association with a view to carrying out a common purpose. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design by two or more persons.

If the cap fits as they say

[Ally]

One of the ingredients of a cake is flour but if all I have is flour, I am not baking a cake.


Do you have any proof, evidence or a single shred supporting your claim that there is a Ripper cabal, pulling strings as you claim?

[PaulB]

I dont recall anything being mentioned about a conspiracy and besides one of the ingredients of a conspiracy is simply a need to prove an association with a view to carrying out a common purpose. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design by two or more persons.

If the cap fits as they say

You have accused people of being members of a powerful cartel - a cartel is a very specific thing, Trevor.

[Tom_Wescott]

I think we all need to step back a bit and consider the facts. What I think might be confusing people is the 'cartel' versus the 'cabal'. It needs to be appreciated that Monty is a member of both, but they are separate entities, and they are QUITE SEPARATE from the conspiracy he's currently a part of, which merely is an offshoot of his Cabal, but does not involve all members of the Cabal. His 'Clique' is also a very different group, as it merely consists of Monty and a few 'mates' who gather at a 'pub' and buy each other 'pints'.

It is not yet clear to me what role Monty plays in either his Cabal or Cartel, but I have been assured by an anonymous source that he is NOT the treasurer, which makes sense. I had hoped my source would publicly identfiy Monty as part of the Cabal, but upon learning Monty was a Jew, he refused to give evidence. Fortunately, from private information, I've been able to confirm that Monty's friends...or was it his family...strongly suspected Monty's involvement not only in the Cartel and Cabal, but also in Cabaret, a most disturbing image. However, I have destroyed all my notes relating to the matter, so the truth will never be known.

UPDATE: It has been discovered by the Cabal/Cartel-free Philip Sugden, that at the time this thread was started, Monty was in a French prison, thus couldn't have been responsible.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Steven Russell]

Thanks, Tom. That's made the whole thing clear.

Anyone want to form a coterie of armchair monkeys who've never had any Ripper material published?

Hopefully,
Steve.

[Brenda]

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David Radka, may he rest in peace, was fond of labeling it the "cognescenti" as opposed to "cabal" or "cartel".

[Trevor Marriott]

You have accused people of being members of a powerful cartel - a cartel is a very specific thing, Trevor.

A cartel is a group of political or special interest groups having a common cause.

Is that specific enough for you

That gentlemen and ladies is my final word on these matters but I am sure it wont be from others.

[Stewart P Evans]

I don't recall...

Sorry Stewart but this, I disagree with. There are several other people who have asked or wish to see the Aberconway version and punishing everyone because Trevor behaves aggresively when asking for things is just as spiteful and petty on the part of those who have it as Trevor is capable of being.
It does absolutely no good when people flat out say that they are withholding the Aberconway version as some kind of teaching moment for the entire class because there's one clown who keeps acting up.

I don't recall saying that I agree with it, I merely stated the situation that exists. That said, surely it is up to the person who has the material, and who went to all the trouble to obtain it many years ago, to decide where and when to publish it.

As I understand it, if not for Trevor's shenanigans it would have been posted on these boards some time ago. Also I do not follow the argument that if someone has some information as a result of private and personal research, often obtained at the expense of time and money, they are obliged to share it with everyone.

[PaulB]

A cartel is a group of political or special interest groups having a common cause.

Is that specific enough for you

Not really. You've defined a 'cabal', which is a clique or faction, usually political and generally secret or semi-secret. A 'cartel' is an association of people who control product, determine prices and restrict competition, as in a drug cartel.

That gentlemen and ladies is my final word on these matters but I am sure it wont be from others.

Good. But what is clear is that you cannot defend your assertion that there is a cartel (or even a cabal, for that matter) exercising influence over the actions of others. So much for hot air...

[Stewart P Evans]

Keith

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It does absolutely no good when people flat out say that they are withholding the Aberconway version as some kind of teaching moment for the entire class because there's one clown who keeps acting up.

Sorry Ally, as I understand it, it is Keith who holds the material and the decision as to when to publish it in full is his (most of it, certainly all that's really relevant, has already been published).

I also don't recall Keith posting anything himself regarding withholding the material or his reasons for doing so. Others may have given their thoughts as to why Keith hasn't released the full transcript and they may or may not be right. But surely, whatever the decision, it's up to Keith.

[Stewart P Evans]

Another point...

Sorry Stewart but this, I disagree with. There are several other people who have asked or wish to see the Aberconway version and punishing everyone because Trevor behaves aggresively when asking for things is just as spiteful and petty on the part of those who have it as Trevor is capable of being.
It does absolutely no good when people flat out say that they are withholding the Aberconway version as some kind of teaching moment for the entire class because there's one clown who keeps acting up.

Another point here, of course, is the fact that if it had been put on the boards after all of Trevor's accusatory and abusive posts we would have then seen him appear boasting and crowing that his 'antics' had forced the holder of the material to post it on the boards, thus enhancing his self-perceived 'people's champion' image.

[Trevor Marriott]

Not really. You've defined a 'cabal', which is a clique or faction, usually political and generally secret or semi-secret. A 'cartel' is an association of people who control product, determine prices and restrict competition, as in a drug cartel.



Good. But what is clear is that you cannot defend your assertion that there is a cartel (or even a cabal, for that matter) exercising influence over the actions of others. So much for hot air...

Well at least its not like you all wind and piss ! You muppet !

[Stewart P Evans]

Touch a nerve...

Well at least its not like you all wind and piss ! You muppet !

Touch a nerve, did he Trev?