E Petitions and Ripper Files and papers

[curious4]

Nobody is being labelled a crank for supporting an appeal for freedom of information.



Except that conspiracists will always claim that there is information which is being held back.



It isn't and nobody has claimed that it is, but the ledgers apparently also contain the names of police informants and the MPS has claimed that modern day informers could be deterred from giving information if they believed that at some time in the future their names will be made public. So far this opinion has been upheld.



If you think the petition will persuade anyone to release unseen data, then sign it. Nobody is stopping you. But it is as well to know what one is signing and why.

Hello PaulB,

Sorry, but I find your arguments a little weak. Would a modern-day informer - if such is the case - really be put off by the fear of it coming out 130 years in the future? Please! And it´s ok to sign a petition if it is "acceptable"? Who decides?

Since I left England I often get the impression that basic rights have been a little weakened - take the age of responsibility as one example - one gets the impression that we´ll be back to hanging seven-year-olds for stealing sheep soon! However, signing a petition in any country and for whatever reason is still legal, I take it?

Frankly I found your last remark offensive and just a tad threatening.

Regards to all,
C4

[PaulB]

[QUOTE=Carol;194303]

Doing a Trevor and inserting your replies in someone else's post isn't helpful and should be avoided.

Hi Paul,

Judging by the above I can only say I'm very sorry I upset you so much. I'll tell you why I did that. The simple reason is that I am not very 'savvy' when it comes to all the various 'specialities' one can do when writing on this site. I can tell you that it took me at least half an hour of attempting to 'do it posh' and how I eventually wrote my mail was the best I could come up with. THIS IS THE TRUTH!

I would be very grateful if you could tell me how to do it 'properly' so that I don't upset you needlessly again. Thank you.

Carol

You didn't upset me at all, Carol, it's simply that inserting answers within another person's message makes responding more protracted because one can't easily distinguish whose message it whose. To include the other person's post just click on the "Quote" button.

[Jason]

Apropos of ledgers and registers listing documents and files, there are many preserved at Kew. On their own they may not tell us much and in many cases the material listed probably no longer exists. But the entries are tantalising nonetheless.

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what is this document Stewart ? my eyesight isnt great so is there anyway i can zoom in on it ? where do i find it ?

[Carol]

[QUOTE=PaulB;194215]Doing a Trevor and inserting your replies in someone else's post isn't helpful and should be avoided.

Hi Paul,

Judging by the above I can only say I'm very sorry I upset you so much. I'll tell you why I did that. The simple reason is that I am not very 'savvy' when it comes to all the various 'specialities' one can do when writing on this site. I can tell you that it took me at least half an hour of attempting to 'do it posh' and how I eventually wrote my mail was the best I could come up with. THIS IS THE TRUTH!

I would be very grateful if you could tell me how to do it 'properly' so that I don't upset you needlessly again. Thank you.

Carol

[Trevor Marriott]

A proper job? Oh no!

There arent many about now

[John Bennett]

Look at the impact no more ripper walks, some would have to go out and get proper jobs, many Ripper book withdrawn from circulation. The UK`s economy would dip. Cartel members reduced to tears and seen on lonely midnight vigils in Mitre Square.

A proper job? Oh no!

[Trevor Marriott]

I think that you should apologise to the good people who conduct Ripper walks, for they do a proper job which is appreciated by thousands of tourists.

This is pure inflammatory nonsense on your part. As for imaginary 'Cartel members' being reduced to imaginary tears, well that's all in your head I'm afraid.

The police released the relevant murder files many years ago, before you even became interested in cashing in on the case.

Have you lost your sense of humour also

Its nothing to do with slurring those who conduct ripper walks.

If there were no Jack The Ripper there would be no Ripper walks would there. Would tourists still flock to see the sites of a series of unsolved murders of a similar nature

[Stewart P Evans]

Plain English

What some would class as original and responsible may not be classed as the same in the eyes of others.
Didnt you write the "letters from hell" ?
and it was a press invention was it not ?

I do wish that you would write clearly, and in plain English.

[Trevor Marriott]

Trev, you are a bit of a 'Johnny Come Lately' on the Ripper scene, and it shows at times.

From the publisher's blurb on the cover of Jack the Ripper Letters From Hell, 2001, 'An original and responsible look at a case which has been hackneyed by so many authors, the story of the Ripper letters ends by posing a controversial question: was 'Jack the Ripper' merely a press invention?'

What some would class as original and responsible may not be classed as the same in the eyes of others.

Didnt you write the "letters from hell" ?

and it was a press invention was it not ?

[Stewart P Evans]

Apologise

...
Look at the impact no more ripper walks, some would have to go out and get proper jobs, many Ripper book withdrawn from circulation. The UK`s economy would dip. Cartel members reduced to tears and seen on lonely midnight vigils in Mitre Square.
No wonder the police dont want the files released and the the true facts revealed

I think that you should apologise to the good people who conduct Ripper walks, for they do a proper job which is appreciated by thousands of tourists.

This is pure inflammatory nonsense on your part. As for imaginary 'Cartel members' being reduced to imaginary tears, well that's all in your head I'm afraid.

The police released the relevant murder files many years ago, before you even became interested in cashing in on the case.

[Trevor Marriott]

Apropos of ledgers and registers listing documents and files, there are many preserved at Kew. On their own they may not tell us much and in many cases the material listed probably no longer exists. But the entries are tantalising nonetheless.

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Is this The CID crime register in its entirety and equivalant to The SB Register I see from what you have posted there are references to The Whitechapel Murders. Are these the only references or have you just posted sample extracts.

[Stewart P Evans]

Johnny Come Lately

The name Jack The Ripper has been used by almost everyone but it is not until you delve deeper into this mystery that the doubts start to form. The more you look the more the more the picture becomes clearer. BUt only to those who want to see and are prepared to look at things in a different light.

Trev, you are a bit of a 'Johnny Come Lately' on the Ripper scene, and it shows at times.

From the publisher's blurb on the cover of Jack the Ripper Letters From Hell, 2001, 'An original and responsible look at a case which has been hackneyed by so many authors, the story of the Ripper letters ends by posing a controversial question: was 'Jack the Ripper' merely a press invention?'

[Trevor Marriott]

'Jack the Ripper' is a nickname, undoubtedly coined by the press, to identify the unknown murderer of a small number of women in late 1888. It has been used by you has it not? So to say that he never existed is to say that the unknown killer never existed. It's not a new claim however.

The statement that it is 'a good time for the MPS to come clean. Unless, of course, it is in their own interests not to do so.' is, in my opinion, cranky and hints of conspiracy of some sort, where none exists. What has kept 'all of this alive' for so many years is the mystery and romance that has attached to it, not to say all the cash it has generated in more modern times.

The name Jack The Ripper has been used by almost everyone but it is not until you delve deeper into this mystery that the doubts start to form. The more you look the more the more the picture becomes clearer. BUt only to those who want to see and are prepared to look at things in a different light.

Look at the impact no more ripper walks, some would have to go out and get proper jobs, many Ripper book withdrawn from circulation. The UK`s economy would dip. Cartel members reduced to tears and seen on lonely midnight vigils in Mitre Square.

No wonder the police dont want the files released and the the true facts revealed

[Stewart P Evans]

Apropos of...

Apropos of ledgers and registers listing documents and files, there are many preserved at Kew. On their own they may not tell us much and in many cases the material listed probably no longer exists. But the entries are tantalising nonetheless.

[Stewart P Evans]

Nickname

Its not cranky its quite simple when you at it overall.
If you accept that all of these victims were not killed by the same hand clearly the evidence supports that.
If you accept that the killer did not remove these organs from the victims clearly evidence supports that also
If you accept that the first letter in which the name Jack The Ripper appears that it was not written by the killer. Proven
Eliminate the "Likely Suspects" in doing so remove the Mad Doctor/The Royals etc/The mad local etc
I think all of the aforementioned are very vaild reasons.
What are you left with a series of unsolved murders of a similar nature. You could loosely argue that the mutilations carried out on some of the victims warranted the killer of those being called "The Ripper" but not this myth surrounding Jack The Ripper which has kept all of this alive for 123 years.

'Jack the Ripper' is a nickname, undoubtedly coined by the press, to identify the unknown murderer of a small number of women in late 1888. It has been used by you has it not? So to say that he never existed is to say that the unknown killer never existed. It's not a new claim however.

The statement that it is 'a good time for the MPS to come clean. Unless, of course, it is in their own interests not to do so.' is, in my opinion, cranky and hints of conspiracy of some sort, where none exists. What has kept 'all of this alive' for so many years is the mystery and romance that has attached to it, not to say all the cash it has generated in more modern times.