movie/film advice

[protohistorian]

No Bob, the point is to demonstrate the wide patch of ground between historical accuracy and what has thus far been presented. The mocking is to emphasize that the 'alterations' to reality in the most recent effort are laughable to the point of being worthy of derision. Dave

[Bob Hinton]

The answer is...

No Bob, the point is to demonstrate the wide patch of ground between historical accuracy and what has thus far been presented. The mocking is to emphasize that the 'alterations' to reality in the most recent effort are laughable to the point of being worthy of derision. Dave

Yes we appreciate that but the answer is as I have already given.

[protohistorian]

Perhaps you are correct Mr. Hinton. I was going to respond with citations of historically accurate films, but after several minutes I cannot do so. I will accept your proposition, and assume historically accurate feature films are an aberration and resultant from chance. Good Point! Dave

[Abby Normal]

Perhaps you are correct Mr. Hinton. I was going to respond with citations of historically accurate films, but after several minutes I cannot do so. I will accept your proposition, and assume historically accurate feature films are an aberration and resultant from chance. Good Point! Dave

Hi Proto
Eventhough I enjoyed very much Murder by Decree and From Hell as movies-historically they are bunk, and I cannot beleive that a movie that is historically accurate cannot (and has not) been made about JtR. Someone told me that since it is unsolved that ther could be no historically accurate and at the same time entertaining movie because it could have no climax/resolution at the end. i disagreed and gave the recent Zodiac movie as an example. And you could make a Ripper movie with a resolution (and still be historically accurate) with a suspect "caught" at the end-Perhaps portraying the "Anderson" version with Kominsky as the culprit, or even the "Abberline" version with Chapman the culprit.

[protohistorian]

Abby, I agree. A factual film has plenty of selling points. What is missing is the desire to make such a film. Dave

[kensei]

I've been playing catch-up with this thread and am tempted to start another one on the subject of movies that asks for a more serious tone to be taken, but there have been so many, including more than one asking people to list their 'dream cast." They are fun to indulge in and we will probably do so again many times, but on the basic subject of an accurate Ripper movie getting made, it would obviously have to include a fair amount of speculation because that's how the real story is- so many unanswered questions. I would suggest dead-on accurate portrayals of all the real facts that are known of the lives of the victims and the detectives (including Abberline being a married man and not being any kind of addict), and the inclusion of a handful of suspects woven in without a clear revelation at the end as to who it really is. Say half a dozen of them- Druitt, Ostrog, Kosminsky, Chapman, Bury, and Kelly. More? We'd already be looking at a 3-hour movie (which I have no problem with if it's well made). And I agree with Abby Normal on the comparison with the film "Zodiac." It had a favorite suspect and has had its criticism as to accuracy on all points, but though it had all the murders bundled into the first 20 minutes and then dragged a bit in the middle, I think that a Ripper movie made in much the same way- IF directly marketed to Ripper afficianados like all of us- would do well enough to at least turn a profit. To us, the so-called boring parts in the middle would only be fodder for more spirited debate.

p.s.
Just out of imagination, I invision a scene leading up to the Double Event in which a rapid series of cutaways shows Liz's and Kate's activities back and forth during that day and night, and at one point the two bump shoulders in a crowd. "Oh, sorry" says Kate. Liz snaps at her with some Swedish accented equivalent of "bugger off," and Kate saunters off going, "Humph, damn bloody Swede." You've got to have some comic relief.

[protohistorian]

I think your bang on the score of accuracy on what we have established. As it is new students come to the case with expectations of naming the killer and not exploring a historic mystery.This results in disappointment with reality, and loss of prospective new students by virtue of reality being vastly different from the hype. Another thing I have encountered, is that a great many of the people who have derided me on my subject of study, feel that the case has been solved and that it is in fact a small subject of study.This could remedied if the general population had a slightly more accurate understanding of the facts.

[lynn cates]

humour

Hello Kensei. Perhaps such a meeting between Kate and Liz would not be so humourous or imaginative as it at first seems.

After all, both worked "amongst the Jews" and Liz was seen often on Fashion st. Kate even gave an address there.

Cheers.
LC

[caz]

I am having trouble casting the uterus right now as finding one that talks is exceedingly difficult. Dave

Had any luck yet, Dave? Mine won't shut up. Then again, I do have a womb with many views.

The tricky part is getting one to stick to the script (not literally, that's dead easy) and keep its views to itself, being of the female persuasion. But you can't have it both ways - unless your name is Tumblety.

I think Peenus and Testiclees are masterstrokes and would have a good chance between them of producing something to educate and entertain, along with a thrilling climax. But even Tumblety knew a Uterus was essential or the baby would go out with the bathwater.

I'm sure Lynn would agree that Berner St and Mitre Square provide fertile grounds for idle speculation and Stride and Eddowes are already pregnant with promise.

I predict that Daily Mail readers everywhere will give this project a big thumbs-up, even if it only gets one finger from everyone else.

Love,

Caz
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[Defective Detective]

II would suggest dead-on accurate portrayals of all the real facts that are known of the lives of the victims and the detectives (including Abberline being a married man and not being any kind of addict), and the inclusion of a handful of suspects woven in without a clear revelation at the end as to who it really is. Say half a dozen of them- Druitt, Ostrog, Kosminsky, Chapman, Bury, and Kelly.

Great choices. I would definitely focus on more than one possible suspect, and I would interweave their lives together in the narrative like Summer of Sam did with its cast. For instance, open the film with Kelly's escape from Broadmoor, which segues into Klosowski arriving in England on his ship. And cut between scenes of the suspects would be those of the murders themselves.

It's important to realize that music makes the mood. How you score your film is how it feels to the audience. Music such as this makes me think of Jack the Ripper, in particular the Kelly murder.