Working to order or not ?

[corey123]

Hello Boris,

They would get about as much as a mobster who had a hit on somebody would.

[Tom_Wescott]

I think I know where Chud is coming from. There's no question that whoever committed these murders was evil, but he was also practical. There's a coldness in the murders that suggests a calm hand. This is one of the reasons I find Charles Le Grand the most likely suspect to date.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[bolo]

Hi Corey,

They would get about as much as a mobster who had a hit on somebody would.

Maybe, but again I must ask: Who would benefit from someone who not only kills a number of women but also violently mutilates them?

A normal East End mobster or pimp? Well, the fact that the murders - unlike others that happened before or after - caused a public hysteria, a huge press echo and the biggest manhunt in British history up to that time tells me that there was more behind it than just the death of at least five women.

This leads me to conclude that if it really was a job, the mutilations were an important part of it. I wouldn't completely rule out this possibility but I must admit that I'm having difficulties imagining a plausible motive for that.

And no, I don't buy the "pimp scares his gals into submission" theory.

Regards,

Boris

[corey123]

Hello Boris,

This has nothing to do with that theory. However, this will make everything clear. Gangs, terrorists, mobs. What do they all do? Assasinate.

Think about it.

[packers stem]

There's obviously two sides of the fence.
Most people believe that JTR was just a lone mad serial killer in which case no he can't be working to order.
If on the other hand you believe 'there's something different about this' then yes anythings possible.
In the words of Ray McAnally "convince the little man".
Nick Warren puts an excellent theory forward in the mammoth book,well worth a second read,regarding the irish political situation.

[lynn cates]

relgious/political

Hello Corey.

"Gangs, terrorists, mobs. What do they all do? Assa[s]sinate."

Precisely! And, as we look over the history of such events, political and religious assassinations seem to effect a particularly gruesome despatch.

Cheers.
LC

[joelhall]

If it was a job, there must have been an employer, but I can't think of a plausible reason for an assignment like that.

I can. There's a fairly obvious motive for the killings if you look at the area they were done it (no clues I'm afraid - Ruby don't say a word ). Although I don't believe the killer was paid to do it I do think the motive is a much better one than the sexual killer theory.

[belinda]

No. I believe this was personal for the killer.

[bolo]

Lynn, joelhall, all,

okay, I see your point about more or less gruesome political or religious assassinations. However, there still are the missing organs. In my opinion, that's a rather personal element of the case which gives raise to doubts about the theory of an hired killer.

Regards,

Boris

[Abby Normal]

I don't really want to talk motives but does anyone else get the feeling that these murders were more of a "job" for JTR than an act of a madman. I cant help thinking that he was working to order.

Hi Chud
I entertained this idea a bit, especially when I heard about the Dr looking to procure organs for some work.

However, if the murders were done for a "working to order" "job", then why the extra mutilations?

[joelhall]

Lynn, joelhall, all,

okay, I see your point about more or less gruesome political or religious assassinations. However, there still are the missing organs. In my opinion, that's a rather personal element of the case which gives raise to doubts about the theory of an hired killer.

Regards,

Boris

Don't get me wrong I don't believe the killer was hired. But I don't believe it was a pervert getting his rocks off either. As for political assassinations - I don't think a few poor women from Whitechapel count here. This is more to do with the killer's personal politics than anything going deeper into the realms of conspiracy or mercenaries.

[lynn cates]

imitation/real

Hello Bolo. I indeed see your point. But what if the missing organ/killing of Annie were perpetrated by a lunatic whilst Kate and MJ's organ removal were merely done--to adopt Wynne Baxter's interesting phrase viv-a-vis Kate--as "possibly the work of an imitator"?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Warum?

Hello Joel.

"I don't think a few poor women from Whitechapel count here."

Permit me to inquire, Why not? Don't forget that Edward Jenkinson employed, match girls, barmaids and prostitutes (amongst others) for his intelligence operations. Now, all that is required is that those whom have had their security breached find out, and the purveyor of such information (even if trivial) may find herself in deep faecal material.

Question: What happens to low level informants caught passing (or suspected of passing) information regarding, say, the Mafia? How are they silenced?

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Lynn,

What is your take on Tom Slemen's book, where he attempts to build an argument for the Ripper victims as informants?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

Sleman

Hello Tom. I know of the book by reputation, but even then not too well. I did not realise that he held that view. I thought that he had hypothesised some French chap working for SY as the killer.

Obviously, I need to peruse his work.

Thanks.

Cheers.
LC