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  • chudmuskett
    Detective
    • Aug 2009
    • 126

    #1

    Working to order or not ?

    I don't really want to talk motives but does anyone else get the feeling that these murders were more of a "job" for JTR than an act of a madman. I cant help thinking that he was working to order.
  • corey123
    Inspector
    • Nov 2009
    • 1472

    #2
    Hello Chud,

    No I don't
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon

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    • chudmuskett
      Detective
      • Aug 2009
      • 126

      #3
      Hello Corey, why not? It would seem to me that sometimes he/she/they was/were rummaging around for some specific body part.

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      • Jason
        Detective
        • Dec 2009
        • 382

        #4
        Hi Chud,

        I am not sure whether he was or wasnt doing this as a job because we will never know it seems, however the only thing i look at is the way the crimes ended all of a sudden. Was this because he just lost interest ? not likely if you look at normal serial killers.......did he die ? possibly, but then again is it likely ? who knows ?......was he caught ? well we never heard anything about it so it is unlikely .....or was the job done with MJK ? did the motive and agenda end there ?.....if you can find the answer then you are a better man than me.....GOOD LUCK !!......

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        • corey123
          Inspector
          • Nov 2009
          • 1472

          #5
          Hello Chud,

          I don't know if you have read what I think about him but I believe, that he had a fantasy, and apart of that was "rummaging around in their innards".

          Cheers
          Washington Irving:

          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

          Stratford-on-Avon

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          • chudmuskett
            Detective
            • Aug 2009
            • 126

            #6
            Jason, yes you are absolutely correct that we shall probably never know, I would like to think that there was a reason behind these murders. Lets face it, desperate people do desperate things and if this was the only way this individual could make money then who knows what a human being is capable of. It is only an avenue that I am looking into because it seems to fit. But hey, who am I? I am fairly new to this and don't have the experience of you guys and lets be honest, there have been far more wacky ideas than this.

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            • corey123
              Inspector
              • Nov 2009
              • 1472

              #7
              Hello Chud,

              Don't let unfamiliarity get in your way. The sky is the limit and if you believe in something, you should research it and make something from it. You won't believe how many times I have heard that my theory is entertaining but not possible(however, I have heard a good few who agree or find it plasuable, it goes both ways) but I never gave up and I won't, until something proves me otherwise.

              Don't let anybody prove you otherwise until you yourself has been proven.
              Washington Irving:

              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

              Stratford-on-Avon

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              • chudmuskett
                Detective
                • Aug 2009
                • 126

                #8
                Originally posted by corey123 View Post
                Hello Chud,

                I don't know if you have read what I think about him but I believe, that he had a fantasy, and apart of that was "rummaging around in their innards".

                Cheers
                No, sorry I haven't read your work, I tend not to do a lot of reading on this case anymore for the reason that there is nothing new to report.

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                • Jason
                  Detective
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 382

                  #9
                  thats the equivalent of the football player going up the nightclub doorman and asking " do you know who i am ? "

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                  • corey123
                    Inspector
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1472

                    #10
                    Hello Chud,

                    Actually quite the contrary. Lots of new and interesting did dads and bits to read about. I beg you to look more.


                    Yours truly
                    Washington Irving:

                    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                    Stratford-on-Avon

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                    • lynn cates
                      Commisioner
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 13841

                      #11
                      logic

                      Hello Chud. You have an interesting idea here. To facilitate your thinking, why not follow up the logic?

                      So, we have:

                      "Jack" was doing a job. OK, the next logical question is, "What job?" and that is closely followed by, "For whom?"

                      As you ponder these questions, you will be led inevitably to pursue further certain lines whilst rejecting others.

                      Good luck on your ratiocinations!

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • corey123
                        Inspector
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 1472

                        #12
                        Hello Lynn,

                        Indeed it is.

                        However, be mindful not to be close minded. You can research and vouch for a certain theory and also keep your mind open to other theories.
                        Washington Irving:

                        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                        Stratford-on-Avon

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                        • lynn cates
                          Commisioner
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 13841

                          #13
                          right

                          Hello Corey. Precisely!

                          I never fear when people are actually thinking. And if one gets it wrong, it should become apparent sooner or later. And the best part is, it is better than television.

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • Rubyretro
                            Chief Inspector
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 1906

                            #14
                            I could not agree with you more on that, Lynn !
                            http://youtu.be/GcBr3rosvNQ

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                            • bolo
                              Detective
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 452

                              #15
                              Hello chudmuskett, all,

                              who would benefit from a guy who kills and badly mutilates five or possibly more women? If it was a job, there must have been an employer, but I can't think of a plausible reason for an assignment like that.

                              Regards,

                              Boris
                              ~ All perils, specially malignant, are recurrent - Thomas De Quincey ~

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