Kaufmann

[Rob Clack]

and one more.



Rob

[Rob Clack]

I'm posting these for Maria, who will explain there significance.

[mariab]

Wow, amazing! (Tall hat too.) Thank you SO very much for the information, Roy Cordyroy. Was he French or Italian? He looks like a serious, ascetic socialist/priest.

[Roy Corduroy]

Good morning Maria,

Father Gapon was involved in the labor struggles leading up to the 1905 revolution. He slipped away to France and England then. Later he went back to Russia and met an untimely fate.

Roy

[mariab]

Lynn,
in reference to my post #75, do you have a clue of who this father Gapone dude was who didn't show up, while the French spies were so interested in him? He sounds like an Italian monk/socialist?! Such a shame. No father Gapone!

[mariab]

Debs,
thank you SO very much for all the information on the Wonderland. I've posted some brief info about it (quoting you) also in the Stride and the grapes thread.
Debra A wrote:
Maria, I have been checking through some LSE (British Library political and social science) pamphlets to see if any Schwartz is mentioned, no luck yet.
Debs, you're a lifesaver. I do hope this Schwartz dude turns up somewhere. I'll look up for (negative) references of him in The Jewish Standard. There was another French spy report from 1902 or 1904 mentioning this no-first-name-Schwartz as a skilled anarchist orator in Yiddish, Polish, and Hungarian. Very stupidly (due to having needed to go through the stuff very quickly, on hectic conditions) I forgot to shoot this report, but I'll go shoot it in March, when back to Paris. Here I feel compelled to mention that the 2 boxes with the spy reports at the Paris Archives Nationales were being used by another researcher and were impossible to order officially at the time. Without the friendly help of 3 young librarians I happen to know well at the Archives Nationales, I would be still waiting for these boxes to get available. These 3 librarian guys are amazingly quick and competent. (They're easy on the eyes too.) Vive la France.

To Lynn Cates:
Thank you for the information, Lynn, and please keep an eye for any Schwartz in your sweaters documents.
In January I'll go look if the Berliner Staatsbibliothek might feature Der Arbeter Fraint.

[lynn cates]

Feigenbaum

Hello Maria. Feigenbaum emigrated later on, 1891. Kranz (Rombro), the year before that.

Dreen knew a good deal about all things anarchist. He was something like Rocker's shadow I believe.

Yes, there are many implications about Schwartz. Let's keep looking.

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

This gathering took place in the evening before yesterday on February 5 at the Vonderland Hall, under the presidency of Tchaikowsky. The room, fitting 2.000-3000 attendees, was filled to its full capacity, so that many attendees were unable to enter. The usual orators Tarrida del Marmo, Turner, Burk, Wilkin, Schwartz, Morleit, Tcherkesow pronounced particularly violent speeches in four or five different languages.

I mentioned this to Maria, this is 'Vonderland' I think:



More information on the history of the place can be found on this website:

http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/PavilionTheatreAndWonderlandWhitechapelRoad.htm

Maria, I have been checking through some LSE (British Library political and social science) pamphlets to see if any Schwartz is mentioned, no luck yet.

[mariab]

Lynn,
I know about Benjamin Feigenbaum and I kept an eye out for him, but NO mention of him whatsoever in the spy reports. I don't recall if I've stressed enough how fragmental these spy reports are, as in, there's only a tiny, random amount of them, and they often refer to parts and documents which are MISSING in the reports. Where the rest of the documents are, is not clear yet, but definitely NOT in the Archives Nationales inventaries. Possibly they could be in the secret police archives in the Paris Police Museum, where I intend to look in March. I've also heard that there might be some relevant stuff also in the Archives in Fontainebleau and please believe me, I haven't forgotten about this.

Lynn Cates wrote:
Yes, The Jewish Standard is available in the Newspaper Archive.
Thank God for small favors. I'll most certainly check it up, soon.

Lynn Cates wrote:
Tscherkesov was an old timer (ex aristocrat, I think, from Georgia) who grew old with the movement. I believe he knew Wess (I am getting this from Fishman).
Wow, Lynn, are you aware of what you're implying here?!? There is a Schwartz who talked just after Tcherkesow on that particular gathering at the Vonderhall. We really need to clear up if we might be dealing with Israel Schwartz here. Which would bring out profound consequences on the interpretation of the events of September 30, 1888 on Berner Street.

Lynn Cates wrote:
Can you find an AF from 1905? Perhaps you or I could chat up some of Sam Dreen's descendants? Perhaps they have back issues?
I take it that Sam Dreen was the last AF editor? I'm sure that you and other more experienced Ripperologists would know how to get hold of AF from January/February 1905? But won't it simply be available at the British Library online newspapers database? You know what? After the Xmas holidays I'll be working with Meyerbeer autograph scores at the Berliner Staatsbibliothek everyday, and I have it in mind to look up what anarchist journals from the late 19th/early 20th century they might have. They might even feature Der Arbeter Fraint, who knows?!

Lynn Cates wrote:
You are promoted to what? An infector? (heh-heh)
Hopefully an infector of only radical political and research ideas than any diseases (which I'm fairly sure I don't carry).

[lynn cates]

answers

Hello Maria. Tscherkesov was an old timer (ex aristocrat, I think, from Georgia) who grew old with the movement. I believe he knew Wess (I am getting this from Fishman). Marmol was some of the newer blood and was known for his oratory.

Did you come across Benjamin Feigenbaum? Philip Kranz talked him into leaving Antwerp and coming to London in 1888. He was their BIG point man.

Yes, The Jewish Standard is available in the Newspaper Archive.

Can you find an AF from 1905? Perhaps you or I could chat up some of Sam Dreen's descendants? Perhaps they have back issues?

You are promoted to what? An infector? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Lynn Cates wrote:
So far as I know, all those papers are scattered about in libraries. I tried to locate Commonweal a few months back, but even that is not collected in one spot.
If that's the case, forget about me doing any other research but in the Jewish Standard (which I'm assumming is available online at www.newpaperarchive.com?). Plus we'll check out the translation of Der Arbeter Fraint by Dr. Turtletaub, when she's finally done. (In 2012?) You know what, Lynn? We should ask Dr. Turtletaub to also do Der Arbeter Fraint from January/February 1905, when this mysterious Schwartz orator turns up.

Lynn Cates wrote:
I know 2 of those orators--Marmol and Tscherkesov.
Can you say 2 words about them? And you don't know of any Schwartz in the early 1900s...? I'm gonna identify this bastard even if it's the last thing I do in my life.
P.S.: By the by, did you notice I just got promoted to inspector? Just like Abberline. ;-)

[lynn cates]

orators

Hello Maria. So far as I know, all those papers are scattered about in libraries. I tried to locate Commonweal a few months back, but even that is not collected in one spot.

I know 2 of those orators--Marmol and Tscherkesov.

Thanks.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Lynn,
1886-1887 is too early, as I'm only checking out relevant stuff.
I'll email you 2 French spy reports, one about anarchist bombings and one with the Paris addresses of London Whitechapel anarchists.
You didn't confirm if the anarchist papers you provided in your list are available online. I bet they aren't?
And do you recognize any of the orators' names in my post #75?

[lynn cates]

years

Hello Maria. It began in mid-'86, ended early '87. Might be too early for IS.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Hello Lynn.
Which years are we talking about? Are you going to look up for Israel Schwartz too in there, just in case?