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[mariab]

Hello Lynn.
I'm probably being stupid, but I still don't get it. Did you and Fiona quote different sources for the meetings of the Socialist League in 1886?

[lynn cates]

extra list

Hello Maria. No, not stupid. There is a second list--it's too big to upload.

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

Hi Lynn and Maria,

Sorry if that was confusing Maria, I should have made that clear. Yes I have seen Lynn's earlier posts but I can't claim any brownie points as practically all the info comes from the William Morris diaries, on www.Marxists. org.

What I love is how these signatures bring history to life; imagining who came with who, for instance the first two to arrive were obviously the Avelings. I wonder who the two really illegible scrawls belong to, eighth on the Committee side and seventh on the Visitors. It's interesting that these two rather manic scrawls are so similar to each other. It would be fascinating to identify them.

Fi

[lynn cates]

Em-a

Hello Fiona and Maria. Do either of you know the story of how Ms. Marx-Aveling died?

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

I gather he was a bit of a b*****d

[lynn cates]

cause of death

Hello Fiona. Indeed. Many of the socialist and anarchist chaps were self-made people (heh-heh).

Do you recall how Karl's daughter died--I mean cause of death?

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

A broken heart !! She poisoned herself. Poignant, since she translated Madame Bovary.

[lynn cates]

yup

Hello Fiona. Indeed. Poison it was.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Hello Fiona,
Thank you so much for the information on the William Morris diaries. Might I inquire if you're a historian specialized in the arts? (I know there must be a name for such a field, but I can't come up with it, many apologies).

Fi Saint wrote:
I gather he was a bit of a b*****d
I guess that stands for “basta*d“ and not “bugger*d“. ;-) Whom were you referring to? Because, to my knowledge, neither Karl Marx nor William Morris were “illegitime“ (for lack of a better word)...

Lynn,
the printouts of the spy reports from the Archives Nationales turned up today. There are a couple more from the ones I've posted here, but nothing terribly relevant. And as mentioned before, I forgot to order or shoot the other report mentioning Schwartz no-first-name as a skilled anarchist orator in Yiddish, Polish, and Hungarian, but I'll take care of this in March.

[Fi Saint]

Just an amateur. I confess to being a Van Gogh fan, which is what led me to JtR

[lynn cates]

Mr. Aveling

Hello Maria. I think Fiona's reference was to Mr. Aveling.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Lynn Cates wrote:
I think Fiona's reference was to Mr. Aveling.
Oh yes, the Avelings, who attended both. I should read something about them.

Fi Saint wrote:
Just an amateur. I confess to being a Van Gogh fan, which is what led me to JtR.
I love Van Gogh too, but is there a reference to the Ripper? Surely not the cut ear as a reference to the Ripper letters?

[Fi Saint]

If you love Van Gogh, do have a look at my article about Gauguin in Rip 114, and we can discuss the possibility that Gauguin was involved in the Ripper muders ! Also that his 'Human Misery' may be a portrait of Mary Kelly.

[mariab]

Hello Fiona,
I might manage to read it at some point. Gauguin was a slut, but to be involved in the Ripper murders, come on! ;-)
Van Gogh was dead by 4 years when the Mary Kelly murder scene photos got published for the very first time (in André Lamoureux’s 1894 doctoral thesis De l’Éventration au point de vue médico-légal, followed up a couple years later by his mentor's, Alexandre Lacassagne's, book). Pre-cubist art tends to look a lot like portmortem pictures. Hence the accusations on Walther Sickert, who was not even a cubist. (I guess Picasso was too young to be accused to be involved in the Ripper murders.)
Just stepped out of the shower, gotta go get Christmas groceries now...

[lynn cates]

motive

Hello Fiona. I was wondering what motive Gauguin might have for killing any of the ladies?

Cheers.
LC