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    I read the article below from the Times (19 August 1888) about the material that was returned in 1988. I don't remember seeing previously that the photos that were returned had been used as material for lectures. Also that the police intended to identify the source of the returned photos after consulting the family.


    Almost a hundred years after Jack the Ripper struck down his first victim on the east London streets, the case remains, according to one of the many investigators, ``as fresh as new-spilt blood''.

    Certainly the unknown and long dead killer still has the capacity to draw a full house.

    Scotland Yard had only to say yesterday that it was unveiling linked photographs and documents to prompt a stampede of interest. However, it was unable to shed fresh light on the case, dating back to the death in August 1888 of Mary Nicholls, the first victim.

    If anything, the papers add a little more mystery to a case which has plagued the Yard for a century.

    For the first time, the police yesterday showed rediscovered papers and pictures missing from the voluminous Ripper files for an unknown number of years. The gaps were noticed last year when the family of a former senior policemen gave the Yard a thick album of photographs he used in lectures.

    In the file was a collection of Victorian pictures, including unknown portraits of three of the five victims and gruesome pictures taken at the post-mortem examinations.
    More recently, the Yard received anonymously a collection of documents bearing a Croydon postmark.

    They included the original of the first letter thought to have been written by the murderer in 1888 announcing his responsibility for the killings under the Jack the Ripper pseudonym.

    Yesterday, Mr John Dellow, deputy commissioner, would not be drawn on the latest Yard theories about the case as he sat under one of the Victorian police posters which reproduced the letter.

    In red ink the murderer threatened to go on killing until ``I get buckled''.

    The letter has been examined by graphologists who maintain it shows no sign of the serious mental disorder that must have prompted the murders.

    Asked about the fascination with the case, Mr Dellow said that at the time the fear must have been enormous. The pictures from the post-mortem examination displayed on the wall opposite bore testimony to the horror of the attacks and a lengthy post mortem report among the returned papers listed injuries in stomach-turning detail.

    Mr Dellow said the discoveries did not take investigators any nearer the identity of the killer. Many of the returned documents and pictures were known to have existed but no one had noticed they were missing from the files passed to the Public Record Office in 1951.

    The identity of the policeman who had the pictures would be released by the Yard once his family have been consulted, Mr Dellow said.

    Asked for current Yard theories about the case Mr Dellow would not be drawn. The missing papers will be put back on the file for fresh investigators to examine.
    Last edited by Chris Scott; 01-22-2010, 07:41 PM.

  • #2
    Where is Mr. Dellow now?
    Regards Mike

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    • #3
      Hello Chris,

      For the first time, the police yesterday showed rediscovered papers and pictures missing from the voluminous Ripper files for an unknown number of years. The gaps were noticed last year when the family of a former senior policemen gave the Yard a thick album of photographs he used in lectures.
      I have known and said this a few times previously. The name of the man involved is known as well. I gently asked the question that nobody answered on a thread..about publically naming this man...I whimsically also said "probably not in keeping with the traditions of the Dept"....

      Because of my personal view that MJK3 is a composed photograph, and other things, I view this returned material with caution.

      best wishes

      Phil
      Last edited by Phil Carter; 01-22-2010, 08:00 PM. Reason: edit of line
      Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


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      • #4
        Hi Chris,

        I believe that the lecturer was this ex-policeman—

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        And that this was one of his lecture exhibits—

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        Regards,

        Simon
        Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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        • #5
          Was he from the Croydon area Simon?
          Regards Mike

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          • #6
            Hi Mike,

            Sorry, I have no idea. Apart from his role in the 1963 Great Train Robbery I don't know anything about him, although I do believe he wrote a book of reminiscences. SPE's bound to have a copy, so he's the man to ask.

            Regards,

            Simon
            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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            • #7
              I didn't realise it was that gentleman. Ernest Millen, or Ernie Millen. His book was entitled Specialist in Crime and it's quite cheap on Amazon.
              Regards Mike

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              • #8
                Millen

                From the dust jacket of Millen's 1972 book -

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                SPE

                Treat me gently I'm a newbie.

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                • #9
                  Thanks Stewart. Quite a distinguished career, and a CBE off the Queen!
                  Regards Mike

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                  • #10
                    Interesting

                    Originally posted by Mike Covell View Post
                    Thanks Stewart. Quite a distinguished career, and a CBE off the Queen!
                    Yes, and interesting to note (well, for me anyway) the year he retired from the police force I joined. However, I did not have such a distinguished career myself.
                    SPE

                    Treat me gently I'm a newbie.

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                    • #11
                      He was also a rather spooky precursor of our modern ID database society in that he advocated the fingerprinting of all British adults as a crime fighting measure.
                      He would feel very much at home in the current climate.

                      12 May 1966
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by Chris Scott; 01-22-2010, 09:42 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Can we view these lecture materials as part of a non conspiracy purloining of Ripper files?

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                        • #13
                          Having just re-read my own first post in this thread (!) I notice that the album of photos returned to the police was "thick" - I wonder what other material was in there...

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                          • #14
                            Hello Chris,

                            That is something I have wondered about too... a photographic album full of old Victorian photo's huh?
                            Perhaps, with luck, SPE would know? Hope so :-)

                            with best wishes

                            Phil
                            Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


                            Justice for the 96 = achieved
                            Accountability? ....

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                            • #15
                              Missing From Home

                              It’s not unusual for this sort of thing to happen. Whilst researching the Mamie Stuart case I contacted South Wales police for access to their files and photographs. They replied that all the crime scene photographs were missing.

                              Several months later I contacted a police officer who worked on the case (discovery of remains in 1961) and on going to see him was surprised to be presented with a folder containing all the missing photographs. Apparently after the case someone thought it would be ok for him to have them as souvenirs.

                              The thing is the police themselves don’t see any particular case as being exceptionally interesting. Once the case is over they move on. Of course there will be exceptions when officers, usually senior, write memoirs. I don’t think that they can foresee a time when a particular crime is of such immense interest to others. Look at the way the Ripper photographs were rescued from a skip by Don Rumbelow, to the person who threw them out they were just photos of a long ago case.

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