Most ridiculous suspect

[Trevor Marriott]

Just because there is not physical evidence to show categorically that ..... the private information that MM references was insubstantial .... and you see where this goes I hope?

You can't apply different criterion. Either the evidence is solid, or it's not, and when push comes to shove, there is no solid evidence against any of the suspects. it's all vapour.

- Jeff

But there is more against some than
others

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Abby Normal]

Just because there is not physical evidence to show categorically that ..... the private information that MM references was insubstantial .... and you see where this goes I hope?

You can't apply different criterion. Either the evidence is solid, or it's not, and when push comes to shove, there is no solid evidence against any of the suspects. it's all vapour.

- Jeff

exactly. the main criterion for me, and todays police for that matter, is being able to place a suspect near or with a victim near time of death. step one then, when judging a candidate for the ripper is where were they? how close can they be placed to a victim. if you cant place them in london, let alone the country, then a suspect you do not have IMHO.

i guess its also why i place alot of emphasis on the witness suspects, and suspects like bury, kelly, kos and chapman. not only were they there, they were suspected by the police. thats about as much as well get.

like you say, vapor.
but theres vapor and then theres fairy wisp. sicert, maybrick, feigenbaum are all fairy dust. you could call it fantasy and i would not object this time ; )

[Ms Diddles]

cheer diddy!
Issenschmidt was incarcerated after chapman, and feigenbaum cant even be placed in the country at the time so they are both most definitely ridiculous suspects. Feigenbut wasnt ever suspected or person of interest by the police, has no ties whatsoever to the case or even England for that matter, was an after the fact "suspect", mentioned by his lawyer lol.Im sorry hes out. but hey if it makes you feel better, at least they are both not on my Most ridiculous tier : )

FT was a failed medical student who wrote about mutilating prostitutes, was jilted by one, lived on the streets of WC and at one time during the autumn of terror lived on Dorset street and was known to carry a dissecting scalpel. Donston was a shady character, had some medical training, was suspected at the time and brought to the attention of the police and wrote letters to police and press about the case and was also living in WC during the crimes. fascinating charactors and FT is even kind of famous as a poet, but as I admit they are long shots but IMHO def NOT crackpot/ridiculous suspects, they tick alot of boxes.

After giving it some consideration I stumped up for Richard Patterson's Francis Thompson book.

The only case I've seen made for him as the WM is based on the "his poetry is a bit rippy" argument, and as such I'd thrown him out as a non starter.

I doubt the book will change my mind, but at least if I still dismiss him, it will be in a slightly better informed manner!

[Abby Normal]

After giving it some consideration I stumped up for Richard Patterson's Francis Thompson book.

The only case I've seen made for him as the WM is based on the "his poetry is a bit rippy" argument, and as such I'd thrown him out as a non starter.

I doubt the book will change my mind, but at least if I still dismiss him, it will be in a slightly better informed manner!

cool-let me know what you think. ive always found him intriguing_in the area, jilted by a prostitute, failed medical student, issues. Ive seen more than one credible person posting for his inclusion and making reasonable arguments for.
To me he is somewhat similar to a jacob levy type, so if you can accept levy as valid, then you should for FT too IMHO.

[Ms Diddles]

cool-let me know what you think. ive always found him intriguing_in the area, jilted by a prostitute, failed medical student, issues. Ive seen more than one credible person posting for his inclusion and making reasonable arguments for.
To me he is somewhat similar to a jacob levy type, so if you can accept levy as valid, then you should for FT too IMHO.

Fair enough, Abby!

I'll get back to you when I've finished the book.

[jollybonnet]

Since we've all done speculating on who the Ripper may have been, I was just curious to see who everyone believes to be the most ridiculous suspect ever put forward as being Jack the Ripper. I will provide with my top 3 and see if you all agree or disagree and let me know who you think is the most ridiculous.

1. Lewis Carroll

2. Prince Albert Edward Victor (tied with William Gull)

3. "Jill the Ripper"

Bill Sikes, aided by the Artful Dodger

[GBinOz]

Fair enough, Abby!

I'll get back to you when I've finished the book.

Hi Ms Diddles,

I'll also be interested in your opinion. I too found his poetry arguments a little on the fringe, but his theory of the little taught Virchow surgical technique, and Thompson's skin and eye resemblance to Stephen White's sighting was intriguing. Jacob Levy is also on my list.

Cheers, George

[MrBarnett]

Fair enough, Abby!

I'll get back to you when I've finished the book.

I’ll be interested to hear your opinion too, Ms D.

[MrBarnett]

I seem to recall Richard Patterson arguing that Thompson chose Whitechapel as the location of the murders because of its religious significance. He (Richard) claimed that Whitechapel was the only district of London to have a place of worship as part of its name.

[Ms Diddles]

Hi George / Gary,

I'll post my thoughts when I've finished the book.

I started reading it last night.

I didn't get far before I dozed off (busy day at work yesterday!!) but from the little I read, I thought the actual writing seemed pretty good.

I've never heard of the Virchow surgical technique, so that's something new for me to get my head round!

I read Tracey I'Anson's Levy book a while ago.

To use Abby's categorisation, I think I'd go "long shot" for him.

[Abby Normal]

re jacob levy
Has it been established definitively that he was the cousin of Joseph Hyam Levy, one of lawendes companions at the eddowes sighting? I think this is very significant because now at least he has a connection, at least tenuous, to the case.

[MrBarnett]

Having discovered the identity of the Ripper, Richard went on to demonstrate that Australia was the cradle of human civilisation and its hope for the future.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rKyotoG1LFI

[GBinOz]

Having discovered the identity of the Ripper, Richard went on to demonstrate that Australia was the cradle of human civilisation and its hope for the future.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rKyotoG1LFI

Really???? Has he heard about our current Prime Minister???

Cheers, George

[MrBarnett]

Really???? Has he heard about our current Prime Minister???

Cheers, George

All you have to do to usher in a golden age of peace and love is to re-erect the stones of the Aussie Stonehenge in the right formation.

[Ms Diddles]

Having discovered the identity of the Ripper, Richard went on to demonstrate that Australia was the cradle of human civilisation and its hope for the future.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rKyotoG1LFI

I've seen that profile pic on here too.

It always makes me think of Adrien Brody in Predators!!

adrien brody predator - Bing images

Anyone else getting that???