Most ridiculous suspect

[Darryl Kenyon]

...and a watch, and a huge stack of circumstantial evidence.

Still, I find the vitriolic reaction to Maybrick fascinating.

Please can you enlighten me on the huge stack of circumstantial evidence so I can reassess James ?

Regards Darryl

[FISHY1118]

Thanks for that Roger.

“He passed some of the summer in Dieppe (Normandy) in the house where his friend the painter Jacques-Émile Blanche would spend long periods, and which from 1885 had become a meeting place for French and English artists such as Degas, Whistler and Sickert”

So he spent the summer with Blanche (who was clearly at home in Dieppe at the time. And Blanche’s house was a place where artists like Sickert met up.

I think that we’re as close as we can be to saying that Sickert was fairly obviously in Dieppe at the time of the Chapman murder.

So then its also fairly obvious that Druitt was in Bounemouth on the 3rd and 4th of Aug playing in a cricket carnival ,that he would not travel 200 miles to stab Martha Tabram to death on the 7th then travel 200 miles back ? Not to mention all the other murders that are attibuted to JTR after Druitt was pulled dead out of the Thames River ? and his cricketing schudule during the C5 murders makes it damm near impossible that Druitt was Jack the Ripper . Yet you lable people ''Clueless'' when they dismiss him as a suspect?.

There is no proof that Sickert was in France at he time of the Chapman murder , and people can rule him out for whatever reason they like, except this one .

[Herlock Sholmes]

Thats right there are no dates, so everything we know about sickert and him being in france at the time of any of the murders is just speculation and circumstancial .No more or less than any other jtr suspect .

But there are dates?

He was definitely in Dieppe having fun 2 days before Chapman’s murder (minus a day of preparations for return and the actual return)

[FISHY1118]

If one was obsessed enough, they could research it further and try to hammer down the dates, but Blanche has paintings from 1888 that were clearly composed while he was in Dieppe. An artistic friend named Maurice Lobre also has a painting "The Bathroom of Jacques-Emile Blanche" that dates to 1888 when he was visiting Blanche's family home. The house in Dieppe was apparently a popular place to stay in the summer. There aren't any hard dates that I know of, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The Bathroom of Jacques-Émile Blanche - Lobre, Maurice. Museo Nacional Thyssen-Bornemisza (museothyssen.org)

Thats right there are no dates, so everything we know about sickert and him being in france at the time of any of the murders is just speculation and circumstancial .No more or less than any other jtr suspect .

[Abby Normal]

...and a watch, and a huge stack of circumstantial evidence.

Still, I find the vitriolic reaction to Maybrick fascinating.

theres zero circumstantial evidence for maybrick, the watch or the silly diary. which is why the vitriolic reaction against him is indirectly proportional.

[erobitha]

Maybrick is the most ridiculous, considering the amount of interest he draws. At least with most of the other suspects who are regularly discussed on here , whether you agree with them or not you can generate some form of case, even if it is on not much . But with Maybrick there is none, apart from a very obvious fake diary.
Regards Darryl

...and a watch, and a huge stack of circumstantial evidence.

Still, I find the vitriolic reaction to Maybrick fascinating.

[Herlock Sholmes]

If one was obsessed enough, they could research it further and try to hammer down the dates, but Blanche has paintings from 1888 that were clearly composed while he was in Dieppe. An artistic friend named Maurice Lobre also has a painting "The Bathroom of Jacques-Emile Blanche" that dates to 1888 when he was visiting Blanche's family home. The house in Dieppe was apparently a popular place to stay in the summer. There aren't any hard dates that I know of, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The Bathroom of Jacques-Émile Blanche - Lobre, Maurice. Museo Nacional Thyssen-Bornemisza (museothyssen.org)

Thanks for that Roger.

“He passed some of the summer in Dieppe (Normandy) in the house where his friend the painter Jacques-Émile Blanche would spend long periods, and which from 1885 had become a meeting place for French and English artists such as Degas, Whistler and Sickert”

So he spent the summer with Blanche (who was clearly at home in Dieppe at the time. And Blanche’s house was a place where artists like Sickert met up.

I think that we’re as close as we can be to saying that Sickert was fairly obviously in Dieppe at the time of the Chapman murder.

[rjpalmer]

The reason that I asked about the Blanche letter was because, as Blanche was French, how can we know that his visit from Sickert didn’t take place in France?

If one was obsessed enough, they could research it further and try to hammer down the dates, but Blanche has paintings from 1888 that were clearly composed while he was in Dieppe. An artistic friend named Maurice Lobre also has a painting "The Bathroom of Jacques-Emile Blanche" that dates to 1888 when he was visiting Blanche's family home. The house in Dieppe was apparently a popular place to stay in the summer. There aren't any hard dates that I know of, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The Bathroom of Jacques-Émile Blanche - Lobre, Maurice. Museo Nacional Thyssen-Bornemisza (museothyssen.org)

[Herlock Sholmes]

But of course we have no way of knowing the travel plans of the sickert family do we ? Just because they were having fun on the 6th doesnt mean they werent home on the 8th.
Some weeks Is still a vauge description of time from the wife letter ,particularly when we dont know the exact contents of its wording .( ive never seen it ) 13 days could that that be described as weeks . ? All in all still not proof .

But doesn’t it seem strange to you that someone would write home telling someone what great fun they were having if they intended to set out for home in the next day or so? Certainly it doesn’t prove 100% that he couldn’t have been back on the 8th it’s a strong pointer against it.

The letter from his wife is another strong pointer. To dispute this we would have to accept that his wife used the phrase ‘for some weeks,’ when she’d actually meant 13 days (so less than 2 weeks) This doesn’t add up.

The reason that I asked about the Blanche letter was because, as Blanche was French, how can we know that his visit from Sickert didn’t take place in France?

For me the weight of evidence very strongly points to Sickert being in France at the time of Chapman’s murder.

[rjpalmer]

Some weeks Is still a vauge description of time from the wife letter

Yes, "some weeks" is vague insofar as it might refer to three weeks, or four weeks, or five weeks, but it's not vague enough not to cover the date of September 8th, which was only 13 days earlier, and his presence in France before that date is corroborated by the reference to him swimming and painting on September 6th.

The way I look at it is this. If there was evidence that Sickert was a Peter Sutcliffe, or a Ted Bundy, or a Joseph Vacher, this 'alibi' might be worthy of further scrutiny, but there isn't, nor is there any other reason to suspect him of the crimes, so the alibi is good enough for me. There is no CCTV footage, but there doesn't need to be. As the police say, "Mr. Sickert has been eliminated from our inquiries."

Of course, suspects are sometimes wrongly eliminated--it's a risk one takes in narrowing the field--and if you have evidence that Sickert's wife and mother and artistic friends knew he was the Ripper and had the foresight to furnish him with a bogus alibi against all future suspicions, I might reconsider, but I don't see there much chance of that happening, do you?

Au revoir, Walter.

[FISHY1118]

If Sickert was having fun in France on the 6th why would his mother have bothered writing home if they were intending to be back on the 8th? It doesn’t sound like she (and they) are preparing for the return journey. Then we have a letter from his wife explicitly stating that on the 21st he’d been in France for weeks.

Two questions about the letter from Jaques-Emile Blanche - does is state where the visit with Sickert took place, and is there anything concrete to show that, if the visit occurred in England, he didn’t simply get the date wrong.

It appears that in the above there are three extremely strong pointers to Sickert being in France for the Chapman murder and one which casts a doubt?

But of course we have no way of knowing the travel plans of the sickert family do we ? Just because they were having fun on the 6th doesnt mean they werent home on the 8th.
Some weeks Is still a vauge description of time from the wife letter ,particularly when we dont know the exact contents of its wording .( ive never seen it ) 13 days could that that be described as weeks . ? All in all still not proof .

[Herlock Sholmes]

'' On September 6th, Sickert's mother wrote from St. Valéry-en-Caux, describing how Walter and his brother Bernhard were having such a "happy time" swimming and painting there''. Chapman was killed on sept 8th

''A letter sent by a French painter, Jacques-Emile Blanche, to his father described a visit with Sickert on September 16th. Walter's wife Ellen wrote to her brother-in-law on September 21st, stating that her husband was in France for some weeks now'. Again, sickert could well have been in London on the 8th for the chapman murder

''There is evidence to suggest that Sickert stayed in the Dieppe area at least until early October, 1888. He painted a local buther's shop, "flooded with sunlight" in a piece he titled The October Sun.'' if there is evidence ,then this isnt it .

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If Sickert was having fun in France on the 6th why would his mother have bothered writing home if they were intending to be back on the 8th? It doesn’t sound like she (and they) are preparing for the return journey. Then we have a letter from his wife explicitly stating that on the 21st he’d been in France for weeks.

Two questions about the letter from Jaques-Emile Blanche - does is state where the visit with Sickert took place, and is there anything concrete to show that, if the visit occurred in England, he didn’t simply get the date wrong.

It appears that in the above there are three extremely strong pointers to Sickert being in France for the Chapman murder and one which casts a doubt?

[FISHY1118]

Regarding Sickert, see item #6 in the link below.

Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Patricia Cornwell and Walter Sickert: A Primer

Yes ,im aware of this article, and frankly its not even close to proof of that sickert was in france at the time of the murders .


''His last London sketch is dated August 4th, and there are no sources to indicate that he was in London after that date''. This tells us nothing .

'' On September 6th, Sickert's mother wrote from St. Valéry-en-Caux, describing how Walter and his brother Bernhard were having such a "happy time" swimming and painting there''. Chapman was killed on sept 8th

''A letter sent by a French painter, Jacques-Emile Blanche, to his father described a visit with Sickert on September 16th. Walter's wife Ellen wrote to her brother-in-law on September 21st, stating that her husband was in France for some weeks now'. Again, sickert could well have been in London on the 8th for the chapman murder

''There is evidence to suggest that Sickert stayed in the Dieppe area at least until early October, 1888. He painted a local buther's shop, "flooded with sunlight" in a piece he titled The October Sun.'' if there is evidence ,then this isnt it .


''Although any one of these several bits of evidence could feasibly be ignored or explained away, the combination of all these independent sources confirming the same thing - namely, that Sickert was in France at the time of the Nichols, Chapman, Stride and Eddowes murders - suggests that Sickert could not have been the killer.'' It merely confirms the existence of what was said by others ,it by no means confirms he was in france during the ripper murders.


FWIW , I dont believe Sickert was the ripper , but to use the reason that he was in france as proof during the time the murders they were being committed is wrong . As i stated, if proof exist ive yet to see it .

[rjpalmer]

Yes george thats about the gist of it., Just two points that always seem to pop up regularly as untrue tho if you like , 1 Gull was paralysed down one side after a stroke in 1887 , there for could not possibly be jack the ripper ,2 Walter sickert was out of the country while the murders were being committed. . If proof of theses two points exist ,ive yet to see it . Cheers.

Regarding Sickert, see item #6 in the link below.

Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Patricia Cornwell and Walter Sickert: A Primer

[GBinOz]

I believe Druitt may have been killed by another's hand rather than his own. Maybe because he had knowledge of JTR's identity and killing him was to prevent him revealing this knowledge.

I'm inclined to agree.

Cheers, George