Most ridiculous suspect

[Herlock Sholmes]

A third possibility, Herlock, is that the private info was legit, but would not be classed as strong evidence today, or possibly not evidence at all. Everyone now has their own idea of what to look out for, and we know it was the same back then.

Anderson's low class Pole, eating from the gutter and doing unmentionable things in public, versus MM's suicidal sexually insane slummer. You couldn't get much more different than that.

Love,

Caz
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Fair point Caz

[Herlock Sholmes]

ill keep it simpler that that old boy , Was druitt jack the ripper, yes or no ? ... remember yes or no . not out of hand , or maybe , or could be .

No one with even a modicum of intelligence or judgment would answer that question with a yes or no. It’s as relevant as you asking me whether you are currently wearing socks or not.

I don’t know if Druitt was the ripper or not. I don’t know if Kosminski was or Bury or Sickert or Kelly or whoever. Trevor, for example believes that Feigenbaum is a strong suspect but he won’t say that he was definitely the ripper. None of us know. We talk about likelihoods based on our individual judgment. Yes or no is redundant……or at least it should be.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

I'm beginning to wonder if you are not being too harsh on FISHY. Is he perhaps unfamiliar with the English expression 'out of hand' and therefore doesn't see what everyone else can?

Love,

Caz
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Hello Caz,

I even posted a definition of the phrase ‘out of hand’ from a dictionary of phrases and yet they still ignore it and plough on with the nonsense. I’ve given up expecting integrity from some quarters.

[rjpalmer]

Surely the very idea of Whitechapel's monstrous post-mortem mutilator signing off with 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother...' should have everyone shaking their head...?

How do you all get past it, Druittists? 'He'd forgotten what he'd done'? 'He wrote that note five months earlier'? 'Yeah, but he's still a better suspect than Lechmere!'...?

How??

M.

It's not really much of an objection, is it?

The Druittist that I know of (John Hainsworth and Christine Ward-Agius) suggest that William Druitt simply lied about the contents of the suicide note to put a speedy end to the inquest.

After all, Druitt's own family is said to have suspected him of being the Ripper. We wouldn't necessarily expect them to shout it from the rooftops, would we?

[caz]

Just to give you an example of how Caz, the native english speaker, understand English, which apparently we don't understand

She once challenged to bring any example of a diary defender who thinks that the mistakes in the diary prove it is authentic, any example within the last 13 years

I gave her an example that was 7 years old

She then said that this example is bloody damn old!!

She once claimed that The phrase (I seen) that appears in the diary is an accent and dialect of English associated with Liverpool, which as was shown by two great english researchers is not true.


You can guess the rest of this words games.

There is an English dictionary, but then there is the Caz Dictionary, where we all feel foreigens.





The Baron

Well that was edifying.

A couple of posters to this thread write like they are 7 years old.

I'm off to play with the adults.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Describe to me how exactly someone can be ''Clueless'' if they put Druitt in their worst suspect list ''out of hand''?. when the definition of ''out of hand'' is ''without taking time to think'' [one dictionary source] do people not think when they put him on the list, of all the reasons why ?


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''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned .

They would be pretty clueless if they dismissed Druitt out of hand - or, if you prefer, without taking time to think.

Putting him on your personal list of worst suspects is not quite the same thing, unless you are saying you did so without taking time to think.

If the cap fits...

Love,

Caz
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[The Baron]

I feel an'' out of hand'', ''clueless'' moment coming your way mark

Just to give you an example of how Caz, the native english speaker, understand English, which apparently we don't understand

She once challenged to bring any example of a diary defender who thinks that the mistakes in the diary prove it is authentic, any example within the last 13 years

I gave her an example that was 7 years old

She then said that this example is bloody damn old!!

She once claimed that The phrase (I seen) that appears in the diary is an accent and dialect of English associated with Liverpool, which as was shown by two great english researchers is not true.


You can guess the rest of this words games.

There is an English dictionary, but then there is the Caz Dictionary, where we all feel foreigens.





The Baron

[FISHY1118]

Sorry, FISHY. I wasn't counting anyone whose first language only rarely appears to be English. Clearly, The Baron has the same difficulty as you with the meaning of 'out of hand'.

Love,

Caz
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Describe to me how exactly someone can be ''Clueless'' if they put Druitt in their worst suspect list ''out of hand''?. when the definition of ''out of hand'' is ''without taking time to think'' [one dictionary source] do people not think when they put him on the list, of all the reasons why ?


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''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned .

[caz]

Something I have never understood -- and this goes back to the late 80s, when I requested that old Druitt book on inter-library loan and jumped upon finding my own initials printed on the first page -- is how anyone can possibly get past that suicide note. Surely the very idea of Whitechapel's monstrous post-mortem mutilator signing off with 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother...' should have everyone shaking their head...?

How do you all get past it, Druittists? 'He'd forgotten what he'd done'? 'He wrote that note five months earlier'? 'Yeah, but he's still a better suspect than Lechmere!'...?

How??

M.

Easier to get past Druitt's note than Lechmere's "tarpaulin", I'd wager.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Lets look a one point concerning Duritt seeings how someone likes comparisons when there was no such talk of compairing one suspect to a perticular theory but anyway,what do you expect from that type of person .

So Druitt , lets see , heres a guys that if he was jack the ripper murdered 5 women in a way no ones ever seen before ,totally guts mary jane kelly like an animal, makes headlines around the world, is the most famous killer of his time on the streets of whitechapel, has no anotomical knowledge required to remove Eddowes kidney in under 7mins, , kills Chapman at 5.30 cleans himself up and is on the cricket pitch at 11.30 that morning .

Then after the last murder of kelly on the 9th Nov goes silent , kills himself on 30th Nov or around the first week of Dec, his suicide note found on him says ''since friday [being the 30th of nov ] . 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother, and the best thing for me was to die."

Two things that are why Druitt is my worse suspect list , if he killed the C5 i doubt very much it took since friday Nov 30th to feel like he was going to be like his mother and go insane, and the best thing for me to do is die . Surley after kelly, the killer was well past insane .

Lastly , why not tell the world your jack the ripper in the suicide note ? , your responsible for the worse murders the worlds ever seen , your famous the world over, your name would live on in infamy for all enternity. Yet all he says is since friday i felt like i was going to be like mother . hmmmm

Druitt is at the top of my list as on on the worst suspect for one very good reason , he deserves to be there .


''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned .

You are entitled to your opinion, FISHY, and to dismiss Druitt out of hand.

And Herlock is entitled to his opinion, that anyone who does so must be clueless.

My own opinion is that we could all fairly be described as clueless because the ripper didn't leave us any - clues, that is.

[FISHY1118]

Something I have never understood -- and this goes back to the late 80s, when I requested that old Druitt book on inter-library loan and jumped upon finding my own initials printed on the first page -- is how anyone can possibly get past that suicide note. Surely the very idea of Whitechapel's monstrous post-mortem mutilator signing off with 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother...' should have everyone shaking their head...?

How do you all get past it, Druittists? 'He'd forgotten what he'd done'? 'He wrote that note five months earlier'?

How??

M.

I feel an'' out of hand'', ''clueless'' moment coming your way mark

[caz]

Naturally you asked everyone else and they got back to you and agree with you , what did Baron say when you asked him about '' out of hand'' caz ?.

Because i know exactly what he said about it .

Sorry, FISHY. I wasn't counting anyone whose first language only rarely appears to be English. Clearly, The Baron has the same difficulty as you with the meaning of 'out of hand'.

Love,

Caz
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[Mark J D]

A third possibility ... is that the private info was legit, but would not be classed as strong evidence today, or possibly not evidence at all. Everyone now has their own idea of what to look out for, and we know it was the same back then.

Something I have never understood -- and this goes back to the late 80s, when I requested that old Druitt book on inter-library loan and jumped upon finding my own initials printed on the first page -- is how anyone can possibly get past that suicide note. Surely the very idea of Whitechapel's monstrous post-mortem mutilator signing off with 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother...' should have everyone shaking their head...?

How do you all get past it, Druittists? 'He'd forgotten what he'd done'? 'He wrote that note five months earlier'? 'Yeah, but he's still a better suspect than Lechmere!'...?

How??

M.

[FISHY1118]

Lets look a one point concerning Duritt seeings how someone likes comparisons when there was no such talk of compairing one suspect to a perticular theory but anyway,what do you expect from that type of person .

So Druitt , lets see , heres a guys that if he was jack the ripper murdered 5 women in a way no ones ever seen before ,totally guts mary jane kelly like an animal, makes headlines around the world, is the most famous killer of his time on the streets of whitechapel, has no anotomical knowledge required to remove Eddowes kidney in under 7mins, , kills Chapman at 5.30 cleans himself up and is on the cricket pitch at 11.30 that morning .

Then after the last murder of kelly on the 9th Nov goes silent , kills himself on 30th Nov or around the first week of Dec, his suicide note found on him says ''since friday [being the 30th of nov ] . 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother, and the best thing for me was to die."

Two things that are why Druitt is my worse suspect list , if he killed the C5 i doubt very much it took since friday Nov 30th to feel like he was going to be like his mother and go insane, and the best thing for me to do is die . Surley after kelly, the killer was well past insane .

Lastly , why not tell the world your jack the ripper in the suicide note ? , your responsible for the worse murders the worlds ever seen , your famous the world over, your name would live on in infamy for all enternity. Yet all he says is since friday i felt like i was going to be like mother . hmmmm

Druitt is at the top of my list as on on the worst suspect for one very good reason , he deserves to be there .


''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned .

[Trevor Marriott]

No one is saying that we can make any positive statements about the strength of the private info. If you want to say that a statement from a very senior police officer who had a known link to someone who had a familial connection to the Druitt family counts for nothing then that’s fine Trevor but I find it impossible to simply dismiss it just because we have no corroboration. Of course we can’t assume that the information was accurate or that Druitt was guilty but I just can see why some are so quick to dismiss him when there’s a very obvious possibility that the information might have been convincing and important. The point about the lack of corroboration is that it’s an assumption that either the information was inaccurate (which we don’t know) or that MacNaughten lied (something that we have no reason for believing to have been the case)

I find it really strange that some people with a professed interest in the case in general (and who don’t treat it as an exercise in promoting their own suspect/theory - and that’s not aimed at you Trevor btw) don’t find it intriguing that a very senior police officer named a suspect who wasn’t a known criminal or a lunatic and who came from a highly respected family and that the said suspect committed suicide just after the murder of (possibly) the final victim of the series. Added to the other points like the others (like Griffiths to name one) who went for Druitt as the ripper. Then Farquharson and the North Country Vicar and the potential connection to the Crawford Letter, and how Druitt’s uncle suddenly halted his memoirs exactly the time of the final murder and the fact that Druitt’s brother flat out lied at the Inquest about siblings. Not to mention his sacking from the Blackheath School and the cricket clubs statement that he’d left his duties as Secretary and ‘gone abroad.’ And Admiral Fleet saying that there was talk in the area of the ripper coming from Blackheath.

Of course none of this ‘proves’ guilt (and I haven’t claimed that) but why, rather than considering him at least ‘interesting/intriguing’ are some people so quick to try and erase Druitt from consideration? To me it looks like a family trying to hide a dirty secret. I can only suggest that those who mock or dismiss (out of hand) have ulterior motives for doing so. Druitt it more ‘going for him’ than pretty much all suspects imo. But that is only my opinion of course and other suspects are also worthy of consideration and further research. I’ve never understood why any mention of Druitt raises the hackles of some posters?

I think every suspect and the evidence to support that suspect has to be closely scrutinized. I am sure those who were made aware of differnet suspects back then were doing no more than researchers of today by trying to put a square peg into a round hole.

I accept Druitt has been named as a suspect but there is no more evidence against him than there is against a plethora of any other named suspects.

and what the evidence looks like to you is simply your opinion which you are fully entited to give, but what seems to have happened is that a handful of suspects over the years have been in my opinion wrongly uplifted to prime suspect status when there is no evidence to elevate them to that catergory.

Druitt is an interesting named suspect but not a prime suspect. Researchers need to learn and understand what evidence it takes to catergorise someone as a prime suspect. That being said we can eliminate most of the those who are regarded as prime suspects from that status.

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