John Gill

[Supe]

AP,

Don's speciality is the omelette without eggs.
Fair useage, fair play and fair enough I say.

A) What in blazes is that supposed to mean?
b) Don't attribute thoughts and attitudes to me unless you know what you are talking about (which, jidging from your post here, is scarcely ever).
c) Where were your anarchistic legal views when you sought to suppress the Andrew Cook book cover?

Don.

[Cap'n Jack]

Don's speciality is the omelette without eggs.
Fair useage, fair play and fair enough I say.

[silverstealth]

Here we go again, but what is the propriety of scanning and publicly posting several pages from books still under copyright, presumably without the permission of the copyright holder?

Don.

I had fully credited the author, I felt the articles worthy of including in the thread, I will however remove them. This could have been rectified via a pm.

[Supe]

Here we go again, but what is the propriety of scanning and publicly posting several pages from books still under copyright, presumably without the permission of the copyright holder?

Don.

[silverstealth]

Foul Deeds & Suspicious Deaths In & Around Bradford, Stephen Wade (2005)

[silverstealth]

Apart from the short piece in Strange World of the Brontes, can anyone tell me if there are any books written on this case as I cant find much about it on the internet? Thanks

Unsolved Yorkshire Murders, A Foul Deeds Special, Stephen Wade (2004)

[Nurse Sarah]

As so much is discussed over whether the Ripper had medical knowledge has there been much of that debated over with these child killings?

[Archaic]

Gill Press Report links

Hi, I found a few Gill-related newspaper reports that might be of interest & thought I'd put them all in one spot for your convenience. Two were right here at Casebook, so thanks are due to the 'Press Report' compilers!

Regards, Archaic

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...679C94689FD7CF

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/steubenville_daily_herald/881229.html

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/gettysburg_compiler/890108.html

[sdreid]

Ok, thanks for contributing - very helpful.

[Archaic]

Other Child Murders// The Manure Pile

Back towards the beginning of this thread there were several other child-murder cases mentioned; one was the little boy named Percy & another a little girl... Does anybody know if there were mutilations in those cases too?

From looking at Silver's map of the Bradford locations, it's apparent to me that whoever killed John Gill deliberately brought his body back to a point as close as they dared to his home- something like 180 feet away. I see this as another very intentional cruelty on the part of the killer, something calculated to 'up' the shock & horror of the murder, if anything could.

Although I know others think the killer might have wanted to use the manure pile to actually hide the body in, I disagree. Why go to all that trouble to drain the blood & wash it then? Instead, I see the placement of the body beside the manure pile as another very deliberate "display" factor. To the killer, this poor dead child, the pride & joy of his family, is just a little pile of animal excrement.

And he got a kick out of leaving the child so close to the family doorstep, in a spot recently checked by the constable.
This case is utterly sickening.

I read somewhere that there is a very high incidence of "Posing the Body" in child murders; I'll see if I can find it.

Best regards, Archaic

[Cap'n Jack]

yes, there is for sure.

[Nurse Sarah]

I think Silverstealth wrote about it on a previous post

[sdreid]

Is there a full accounting of exactly which parts of the body were missing?

[Nurse Sarah]

I have the From Hell book, will have a look later...Ive heard of Maria Coroner too, naughty girl

[Archaic]

Books with Gill/Bradford info

Hi, Sarah; there is a short but excellent bit on the Gill Murder in the book "Letters from Hell" by Stewart P. Evans & Keith Skinner (one of my all-time favorite Ripper books, by the way!)

The authors also cover the subject of the Bradford girl charged with hoaxing Ripper letters, the delightfully named 'Miss Maria Coroner'.

The famous professional executioner James Berry also lived in Bradford, & this girl actually had one of his 'business' cards in her lodgings. (Rather "Goth" of her, don't you think? )

There's a photo in the book of Berry's card & it's pretty cool. But don't ask me what a Professional Executioner DOES with his 'business cards'- perhaps he called upon his friends, and if they were out politely left his calling card in a silver dish on the hallway table in token of his visit?

Personally, I wouldn't want to arrive home to find a hangman's personal card...
too much like getting a dead fish wrapped in newspaper from the Mafia!

Cheers, Archaic