Annie Crook

[Krinoid]

[QUOTE=Krinoid;148875][QUOTE=Simon Wood;148858]Hi All,

On April 29th 1894 Alice Margaret Crook [b. 1885] was living at 42 New Compton Street. At this time her mother, Annie Elizabeth Crook, was in prison. She was never "a prisoner" in the conspiratorial sense at this or any subsequent time in her sad life.
[B]What was she in prison for? this is news to me?
Anyone know the details and where you can find them in book form or online?

[Krinoid]

Hi Krinoid,

All the information about Annie Elizabeth Crook and her daughter, plus that of Elizabeth Cook [note the different spelling] who resided at No. 6 Cleveland Street until 1893, is a matter of official record which can be found in any diligent search through the results of all the hard work put in by researchers long before you took an interest.
Good hunting.

Regards,

Simon

WTH,no need to be rude, when I got into all this is one none of your business to guess or know, can you be any more arrogant or stupid?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Krinoid,

All the information about Annie Elizabeth Crook and her daughter, plus that of Elizabeth Cook [note the different spelling] who resided at No. 6 Cleveland Street until 1893, is a matter of official record which can be found in any diligent search through the results of all the hard work put in by researchers long before you took an interest.

Good hunting.

Regards,

Simon

[Krinoid]

anyone have info on the other crook mentioned below???

any help?

JTR the Facts and the History by Begg mentions another Elizabeth annie crook at the right cleaveland st location and at the right time but says she was a different person? How does he know this, he does not elaborate? Isn't that a strange conicidence Again!!!
another one-the whole fact that Prince albert is associated already with the cleaveland street location due to the scandal of the brothel, before JTR The final solution? So, he did know this area,another conincidence again along with the fact that Abberline was assigned to the Cleaveland Stret scandal!!!Isn't this totally out of his area???

[Krinoid]

[QUOTE=Simon Wood;148858]Hi All,

On April 29th 1894 Alice Margaret Crook [b. 1885] was living at 42 New Compton Street. At this time her mother, Annie Elizabeth Crook, was in prison. She was never "a prisoner" in the conspiratorial sense at this or any subsequent time in her sad life.
What was she in prison for? this is news to me? where did you find this information, I was going to say thanks for the posting until I saw the below.

Stephen Knight mangled the "facts" and wrote his book purely for money, which he made by the shed-load.

All you have to remember is that Annie Elizabeth Crook was not a Catholic, and thus the whole premise for the Royal Conspiracy scenario flies out of the window.

Get over it, guys.
I was not posting on the royal conspiracy at all but possibly one of another kind.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

On April 29th 1894 Alice Margaret Crook [b. 1885] was living at 42 New Compton Street. At this time her mother, Annie Elizabeth Crook, was in prison. She was never "a prisoner" in the conspiratorial sense at this or any subsequent time in her sad life.

Stephen Knight mangled the "facts" and wrote his book purely for money, which he made by the shed-load.

All you have to remember is that Annie Elizabeth Crook was not a Catholic, and thus the whole premise for the Royal Conspiracy scenario flies out of the window.

Get over it, guys.

Regards,

Simon

[Krinoid]

not to mention he wrote book onm cubits!

Warren had had enough and resigned... coincidentally right before the murder of Mary Jane Kelly on 9 November 1888. Every superintendent on the force visited him at home to express their regret. Warren's resignation hindered the investigation. He had given an order that if another murder occurred, nobody was to enter the scene - a strange turn of phrase as the four previous victims had all been found in the open street - until he arrived to direct the investigation. Consequently, when the murder of Kelly was discovered by a rent collector who looked in through the window of her room in a Spitalfields lodging house, the police did not enter the room for some three hours because, unaware of his resignation, they were waiting for Warren to arrive

[Krinoid]

see my posts on Ed glinert's book discussion in General discussion

I believe the graffiti could not have been up for long as it would have immediately caused a sensation and become known if it was seen, THEREFORE it was new, and the Fact that Warren rushed to the east end, which he never did before to see it and took it down is highly suspicious.

[Krinoid]

Hello Kinroid,

If you wish to progress your theory, you might want to address some problems with it first.

1) If you believe Sir William Gull to be a conspirator, his age is a major concern.
2) They were not disposed of, as Knight mentions, but rather were found where they were killed.
3)The "Grapes" is another problematic situation.
4)The notion that they knew each other is most likely false.


This is of coarse only if you subscribe to Knights theory. Now one of political conspiracy, do you have a reason why there would be a need to have one?

Yours truly

Can we leave the conspiracy angle out of it, and focus on the questions I asked in previous postings that remain unanswered

[Krinoid]

If this evidence was actually found..

. . In 1894 Poor Alice was destitute in Endell St. Workhouse and says mother is a prisoner, however unable to find Annie in 1894
Linda

Where did this information come form above??[/QUOTE]
If this was found by Linda it is a major breakthrough, no one has commented on it?

[corey123]

Hello Kinroid,

If you wish to progress your theory, you might want to address some problems with it first.

1) If you believe Sir William Gull to be a conspirator, his age is a major concern.
2) They were not disposed of, as Knight mentions, but rather were found where they were killed.
3)The "Grapes" is another problematic situation.
4)The notion that they knew each other is most likely false.


This is of coarse only if you subscribe to Knights theory. Now one of political conspiracy, do you have a reason why there would be a need to have one?

Yours truly

[Krinoid]

I MEANT THE ACTUAL "KILLING SCREAMS AND SOUNDS"ETC..,one of the first thing you hear when people discuss each victim is "nobody heard anything",all you are describing are people who saw the deceased before the murder time. How could JTR work with such privacy and pass among everyone so easily without no one noticing blood on him for example and so on?? Someone must have saw something.
From what I read the cry of murder you mentioned was always heard regularly in that area and locals ignored it and there is no direct link to that killing.

There was no privacy in the East end whatsoever at that time is widely known so how could this happen?

[Krinoid]

[QUOTE=Limehouse;148086]
If you want to know why the women didn't scream you might try screaming with your throat cut down to your windpipe. You would not make much noise.

I am talking about sounds before their throats were cut and again only Miller's Court cries were ignored is mentioned.

[Krinoid]

2 Questions Unbeleiveable

JTR the Facts and the History by Begg mentions another Elizabeth annie crook at the right cleaveland st location and at the right time but says she was a different person? How does he know this, he does not elaborate? Isn't that a strange conicidence Again!!!
another one-the whole fact that Prince albert is associated already with the cleaveland street location due to the scandal of the brothel, before JTR The final solution? So, he did know this area,another conincidence again along with the fact that Abberline was assigned to the Cleaveland Stret scandal!!!Isn't this totally out of his area???

[corey123]

If you feel strongly the women were killed elsewhere - why do you think the conspiritors took such as risk as to dispose of the bodies in busy streets rather than dumping them in the Thames?
see my thread on Ed Glinert's book for theories on why

They were not disposed of but rather were found where they died.