Coincidences

[mklhawley]

Hi Mike,

That Tumblety bloke was a cunning devil.

Regards,

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi Mike,

Irony is obviously a lost cause with you.

Regards,

Simon

[mklhawley]

Hello Mike

Excuse me but I rather agree with Simon that too much can be made of this coincidence business. First of all, to address what you say in your post, the murders occurred in a highly Jewish immigrant area after all, and a lot of workmen wore leather aprons, with or without the possibly newspaper-generated idea that the killer wore one. It is a bit like the claim of people today who say they have found the Ripper's knife. Well, you know, London in 1888 was filled with knives.

Chris

Hi Chris (and Simon),

I actually agree with Simon, too. My take on coincidences is like cherry picking the evidence, but it is fun.

Mike

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

and after the second murder a leather apron was discovered with writing above it referring to Jewes.

Really? That's a new one on me.

Wolf.

[Jonathan H]

The Ripper murders all took place in the 'evil quarter mile' identified by contemporaneous social reformers as the abyss within the abyss.

The American Marxist/journeyman writer, Tom Cullen, compellingly argued for the significance of this fact in 'Autumn of Terror' (1965).

[spyglass]

everyone had moustache's... including the women !

[niko]

related to the "Pattern's formed by murder location's" thread.

Hi everyone, just expressing my thought's again, forgive me if I've posted on the wrong thread. Something that has alway's puzzled me, is the way that the murder sites form a sought of patern. I would think that a serial killer's murder site would indicate kriss-cross point's over a map, and naturally not form shape's or patern's, but I supose I'll leave that to statistic's.

Unless the patern of the murder sites were made intentionally, although I think this unreal but not "impossible". I personally looking at this newspaper photo, what I see are dot's which form a "cross" or an "arrow" shape (patern), which point South-West (I think) I also notice the arrow let's say, point's straight to the houses of parliment and Westminster Abby, must be a COINCIDENCE, or a chance in a million I would say, just my opinion. All the best, Agur.

niko

Hi everyone, forgive me for my clumniness on handling the computer, I would of liked to post this thread on the " Patern's formed by murder locations" thread but I don't know how to do it

Basically what I see in the newspaper drawing of the seven undiscovered mureder sites, using my common sense, is connecting the seven location's marked on the drawing (map) they form the patern of an "arrow" and this arrow point's directly to the "Houses of parliment and Westminster Abby" in my eyes I would dare to say that this is a "fact" at least that's what my eyes see. For what reason the arrow and the direction in which it point's I honestly can not tell you !! Imagine there was a reason for the arrow pointing where it does, what would this reason be ??

Some times I get the idea that this murder's seem to be "well planed murder's" and not by a madman with a knife running around the East end and very well planed that the mistery still last's over a hundred year's, all the best, agur.

Niko.

[Phil H]

Given that the "arrow" is perceptual, it can surely point east or west - why not east?

Second, how accurate is the "arrow" - if you extrapolate/extend the assumed "arrow" does it actually touch the buildings you mention.

I regard the whole idea as close to imbecilic but I will humour those who propose it for the moment. I would be grateful for your thoughts on my questions.

Phil H

[niko]

very important the humour, ha,ha,ha.

Given that the "arrow" is perceptual, it can surely point east or west - why not east?

Second, how accurate is the "arrow" - if you extrapolate/extend the assumed "arrow" does it actually touch the buildings you mention.

I regard the whole idea as close to imbecilic but I will humour those who propose it for the moment. I would be grateful for your thoughts on my questions.

Phil H

Hi Phil, I'm glad you have humour, there should be more around !! All I'm saying is what I see , forgive me I could not post the image of the newspaper map (this one in particular) but you can view it on a previous post of mine on this thread, to me the arrow head is pointing to the left of the map, I compared the direction of the arrow on an A to Z book of London, to my surpise it was in line with the Houses of parliment and Westminster Abby. Phil on this particular map of the murder sites, that's what I see,(I must addmit I wear glasses) Why don't you try seeing what direction you make of it comparing this map on a map of London or an A to Z of London like I did (I used a ruler) Phil don't get me wrong !! I) mentined before that I highly think this hypothesis is far from likey on being true !! who would murder this woman in a short time and in one mile just to point an arrow to a certain location, all the best, agur.

Niko.

[Sally]

I think it probable that all the murder sites are connected by Ley Lines. If only the authorities had realised that at the time.

[niko]

I think it probable that all the murder sites are connected by Ley Lines. If only the authorities had realised that at the time.

Hi Sally, do you mean spiritual and mystical ley lines ??

...... leading to some sort of ritual ??

[lynn cates]

frame of reference

Hello Niko. My problem with an "arrow" is broadly the same one that Phil articulates.

When I was a wee lad, I was convinced that, were one to approach earth from deep space, one would see all the countries, with lines marking their political divisions. But even after having abandoned that extravagant notion, I stubbornly clung to the idea that, if one were to, say, be approaching the Atlantic Ocean, one would spot Britannia and Hibernia towards the top and right, but America would be down a bit and to the left. As I got older, I wondered why the spacecraft could not have rolled 180 degrees and these two geographical entities inverted?

I think what we "see" depends upon a frame of reference.

If that is correct, and one wishes for symbolism, would it not behoove one to find some way of ensuring the coinciding of everyone's frame of reference to make the message come through?

Cheers.
LC

[niko]

Hi Lynn, I can't remember thinking how earth would look like from space as being a kid,. So what I understand from this particular map that what I see as an arrow or cross pointing to the Houses of parliment is not true !! I'm dead sure it's not pointing to London Zoo.

[lynn cates]

Arrow? Straight answer.

Hello Niko. Thanks. Not sure it's a matter of right or wrong. So, I'm not sure if the question, "In which direction is the arrow pointing?" the primary one.

In my mind, a better question might be, "Is there an arrow?"

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Two men...

*Both from the same town in Poland (Kolo)
*Both barbers by profession
*Both born in 1865
*Both with surnames beginning in K and ending in -ski...

Are both major suspects in the Whitechapel murders.

Actually, I'm not convinced this is a coincidence. I've got this dreadful suspicion that one or the other was confused with the other somewhere along the line.

So have I, Nell. By Abberline.

Best wishes,
Steve.