Coincidences

[Carrotty Nell]

The last person to see Annie Chapman alive was.... Liz Long
The next victim was.... Long Liz

[Carrotty Nell]

Two men...

*Both from the same town in Poland (Kolo)
*Both barbers by profession
*Both born in 1865
*Both with surnames beginning in K and ending in -ski...

Are both major suspects in the Whitechapel murders.

Actually, I'm not convinced this is a coincidence. I've got this dreadful suspicion that one or the other was confused with the other somewhere along the line.

[smezenen]

1-John McCarthy's nickname was Jack.
2-He was at Millers Court between 1 and 1:30AM the night MJK was murdered.
3-As her landlord he would have known that Barnett was no longer living with Mary and she would be alone sometime during the night.
4-He would aslo know that she was working as a prostitute.

Did John McCarthy take advantage of the Ripper hysteria to kill MJK? Was he actually the Ripper? Or is it just coincidence?

[kensei]

I note that in smezenen's original post he does not ask for coincidences specifically relating to Jack the Ripper, but to all those relating to the information on this site. So I thought I'd throw one in involving the Zodiac killer which just jumped off the page at me as I was reading "Zodiac Unmasked" by Robert Graysmith.

The first police officer ever to interview chief suspect Arthur Leigh Allen about the Zodiac killings in 1969 was named John Lynch.

Many years later, in 2007, in the movie "Zodiac," Allen was played by actor John Carroll Lynch.

Spooky.

[smezenen]

I find it quite coincidental that right after the Zodiac is mentioned here in more than one of the Casebook forum thread we have a new suspect come to light with Deborah Perez's claim that her step father Guy Ward Hendrickson was responsible for at least some of those killings. Maybe we should talk about the Cleveland Torso Murderer for a while.

[Lika]

First of all I wanna thank DVV for telling me to post this here.
Anyway here's one really awkward one.
A family genealogy from 1880.
Father is a steelworker called John Kelly who had a daughter called Mary both lived in Iowa at that time.Then I found something else.Some sorta grave information from a kid who was buried in Wales.Mother was a Mary Davies born in Iowa who was married to a man called Francis.And on another note.Iowa's neighbour state Minnesota has a town called Limerick.
I highly doubt all these are connected to the case though.Would have been noticed already I'd say.

[niko]

Chance in a million.

Hi everyone, just expressing my thought's again, forgive me if I've posted on the wrong thread. Something that has alway's puzzled me, is the way that the murder sites form a sought of patern. I would think that a serial killer's murder site would indicate kriss-cross point's over a map, and naturally not form shape's or patern's, but I supose I'll leave that to statistic's.

Unless the patern of the murder sites were made intentionally, although I think this unreal but not "impossible". I personally looking at this newspaper photo, what I see are dot's which form a "cross" or an "arrow" shape (patern), which point South-West (I think) I also notice the arrow let's say, point's straight to the houses of parliment and Westminster Abby, must be a COINCIDENCE, or a chance in a million I would say, just my opinion. All the best, Agur.

niko

[K-453]

John Pizer was also known as "Jack".

Lavende had a son named "Jack".

[Stephen Thomas]

Monty, Stewart, Trevor and Donald were all policemen, I believe.

[K-453]

Pipeman & Broadshoulders looked like Holmes & Watson.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi everyone, just expressing my thought's again, forgive me if I've posted on the wrong thread. Something that has alway's puzzled me, is the way that the murder sites form a sought of patern. I would think that a serial killer's murder site would indicate kriss-cross point's over a map, and naturally not form shape's or patern's, but I supose I'll leave that to statistic's.

Unless the patern of the murder sites were made intentionally, although I think this unreal but not "impossible". I personally looking at this newspaper photo, what I see are dot's which form a "cross" or an "arrow" shape (patern), which point South-West (I think) I also notice the arrow let's say, point's straight to the houses of parliment and Westminster Abby, must be a COINCIDENCE, or a chance in a million I would say, just my opinion. All the best, Agur.

niko

Hello niko

The idea that the murder sites were aligned to point at Westminster or the Houses of Parliament has been noticed before. Andy Parlour, Sue Parlour and Kevin O'Donnell, authors of The Jack the Ripper Whitechapel Murders (St. Osyth, Essex: Ten Bells Publishing, 1997), showed on the cover of their book an arrow laid on a map of Whitechapel pointing directly at Parliament.

Chris

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Enough of this nonsense.

Can you really imagine Aaron Kosminski setting out to make the murders align with the Houses of Parliament?

Regards,

Simon

[mklhawley]

Hi All,

Enough of this nonsense.

Can you really imagine Aaron Kosminski setting out to make the murders align with the Houses of Parliament?

Regards,

Simon

It actually looks to me like they were killed just off the two main thoroughfares (Commercial Street and Whitechapel Road) where the unfortunates did their business.

Here's another coincidence:

Leather Apron, or John Pizor, was a Polish Jew and was the big suspect in the papers in September 1888. The next victim on September 30th (Stride) was murdered in the Jewish section, and after the second murder a leather apron was discovered with writing above it referring to Jewes. It's almost as if the killer was trying to lead them away from him by implicating Pizor.

Mike

[Simon Wood]

Hi Mike,

That Tumblety bloke was a cunning devil.

Regards,

Simon

[ChrisGeorge]

It actually looks to me like they were killed just off the two main thoroughfares (Commercial Street and Whitechapel Road) where the unfortunates did their business.

Here's another coincidence:

Leather Apron, or John Pizor, was a Polish Jew and was the big suspect in the papers in September 1888. The next victim on September 30th (Stride) was murdered in the Jewish section, and after the second murder a leather apron was discovered with writing above it referring to Jewes. It's almost as if the killer was trying to lead them away from him by implicating Pizor.

Mike

Hello Mike

Excuse me but I rather agree with Simon that too much can be made of this coincidence business. First of all, to address what you say in your post, the murders occurred in a highly Jewish immigrant area after all, and a lot of workmen wore leather aprons, with or without the possibly newspaper-generated idea that the killer wore one. It is a bit like the claim of people today who say they have found the Ripper's knife. Well, you know, London in 1888 was filled with knives.

Chris