My profile of the ripper

[Abby Normal]

a lot of these explanations are based on my reasoned assumptions, such as lawende, Schwartz, cox, marshall, pc smith and mrs long probably saw the ripper. also that GSG was written by him. and from what we now know about serial killers and postmortem types.


Aged 28-43-witness descriptions (wd) and from the fact that many serial killers post mortem type usually start in late twenties. Dahmer, who I believe is closest to the ripper in MO and sig, started age 28.

Below average height-wd. and height of GSG

Stout, powerfully built-wd. and specifically Schwartz "broad shoulders.

Light brown/ ginger hair-wd. perhaps would explain discrepencies between brown, fair, carroty colored hair by witnesses. my son has curly/wiry sandy brown/ginger hair and based on lighting can look brown, dark brown, reddish and even blonde.

mustache-wd

Local, lived in immediate area-all murders within one square mile, gsg written in direction from mitre square headed back into heart of WC. killer seemed to know area very well.
Walked when committing murders, possible use of cart-see above. cart use is just a guess as it would aid escape and detection.

English-wd. especially ones who heard him talk. no mention of accent.

Gentile-"lipski!" and gsg. I doubt a jew would implicate his own kind.

Steady work, probably involving manuel labor-when he killed on holidays and weekends point to steady work. his ability to kill quickly and quietly point to being strong and in shape-kept up by work requiring "exercise".

Lower class but not poor-see above-steady job and wd-"respectable".

Had own place, though modest-see above steady job-would be able to afford. needed own bolt hole for trophies and post murder activities(masturbation and canabalism) plus to wash up in private. Abbarline didn't think you find him in "dossers kitchen".

Frequented pubs and drinker-blotchy with ale and what we know about serial killers-and that he felt comfortable fraternizing with prostitutes.

Single or dominated wife-needed privacy or spouse who wouldn't question strange behavior.

Knew prostitues and socialized with-seemed very comfortable around them and was able to convince them he was normal joe even at height of ripper scare.

Had problems having sex-guess based on no overt sexual behavior.

Former military and or navy/ sailor-many serial killers are and peaked cap-"like a sailor would wear".

Very familiar with knife-sig and MO point to this. escalation (millwood, tabram and on) point to someone used to carrying and using a knife. also contemperous expert opinion.

Accustomed to carrying knife before murder spree-see above. was probably fascinated with knives and used them a lot from early age.

Appears very cocky to people-
Thinks he is smarter than anyone else-
Self assured-this and above two based on interaction with victims-able to go from murder of stride to eddowes in short order. Marshal-"you would say anything but your prayers" etc. long-"will you?" "yes".

Cunning-able to ruse victims at height of ripper scare and get away at the nick of time. anyone who could pull off double event night would need to be cunning IMHO.

Experience cutting up animals-see above use with knife, and many serial killers start by torturing cutting up animals as youths.

Probable anatomical knowledge, possible medical/surgical experience-drs at the time and modern experts. evidence-cutting around navel, extraction of kidney. being able to do so quickly in limited light.

NO or very light criminal record-guess based on ability of getting away in nick of time. I think he was accustomed to and good at "getting away" with things.

No overt mental illness-wd, seemed normal, "smooth" even. plus I don't think if he had overt mental illness he would have been able to lure victims at height of ripper crimes, and stay un caught for that matter.

Read newspapers-the way he posed victims, wrote gsg-shock value-point to someone who enjoyed his work and how it affected everyone and would thus like to read about his work.

Main motivation-Fascinated with the female body and what his knife could do to it-based on wounds. internal and external parts targeted.sexual areas targeted. "playful" use of knife-nicking eddowes eyelids. no torture involved-everything post mortem.

Possible masterbation and or cannibalism with trophies/ parts-guess based on past post mortem type sk behavior. from hell letter. organs removed and taken away. trophies often used to relive fantasy and masturbate with.

Secondary motivation-Enjoyed shocking / toying with the public-victims displayed. gsg.

Looked down on police-guess based on much of above. dear boss letter.

No interest in torture, all interest post mortem-well known and see above

Curiosity big factor in motivation-guess based on wounds and removal of internal parts and sig-wanted to see what they were like. and what his knife could do to the female body.


I know not very scientific, but there it is IMHO.

Having re read my explanations for each point-just wanted to add another explanation on this one:

NO or very light criminal record-guess based on ability of getting away in nick of time. I think he was accustomed to and good at "getting away" with things.

most post mortem type serial killers dont-Bundy, Dahmer, Gein, Brudos, Kemper, green river man for examples

[Aethelwulf]

Of course absolutely.

Interestingly i think bury is one of the few suspects who still fits most if not all of these (that we know of course). Except former military navy/ sailor?

Do we know?

I think the sailor angle, as indicated by on some of the witness evidence, could well be a red herring. If you look at the most convincing ripper sighting by Lawende and his sailorly appearance, he just sounds like a man in a relatively casual outfit wearing a peaked cap - perhaps the only sailor element is the neck tie but hardly conclusive. There is also the man that attacked Farmer who sounds nothing like a sailor but one of the witnesses makes that comment, although again the man is was wearing a necktie.

Personally I think the key to these 'sailors' is the necktie wearing and the evidence that Earp turned up about the noticeable physical feature of a cut on the side of Bury's neck. although we don't know he had a scar as per the man that attacked Farmer, you first need a cut or similar to have a scar, and I bet the police din't record every cut and bruise on every vagrant they arrested, so it must have been something fairly prominent on his neck. Bury seems to have displayed a good deal of vanity about his neck and I think the necktie sightings were hiding this feature of Bury (tied to the FBI point about a physical feature that could be small but psychologically crushing). As noted in another thread on the two other 'sailors', a relatively short man and a tall man, the short man answering to the name of Bill, we know Ellen referred to Bury as Bill.

[Mark J D]

... the farthest i would go on the ritualistic stuff was fishs idea that the the ripper was inspired by and possibly re creating the anatomical venuses he saw in museums before they shut down. a very intriguing idea...

Back in the mid-1980s I remember being told by someone well-informed that these wax displays had exterted a similar fascination over Peter Sutcliffe, who saw some at a seaside (?) town as a boy.

I don't know how much of this was ever made public: a lot of things about Sutcliffe's mind and crimes don't seem to have been revealed. It would no doubt be useful to know more.

M.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Former military and or navy/ sailor

Was Church Passage Man a coster?

If CPM is regarded as being JtR, what suspects remain when the first or second above, is also supposed to be true?

[Abby Normal]

Hi Aethelwulf,

I was suggesting that the ripper mutilations resembled the Masonic tradition more than the sacrificial rites of Leviticus. Personally, I don't think the resemblance can be completely discarded.

Thanks for the link. I would share the opinion that Bury had "acquired" the cufflinks, but do not share the enthusiasm for Bury as a JtR candidate.

Cheers, George

hi gb
i think if there was any ritualistic element to the crimes, that it has more to do with personal psychological reasons. imho the ripper was fascinated with what the knife could do to the female body, and there was a curiosity factor involved there too, amd the desire to display and perhaps shock the public with what he could do.

tje farthest i would go on the ritualistic stuff was fishs idea that the the ripper was inspired by and possibly re creating the anatomical venuses he saw in museums before they shut down. a very intriguing idea.

[GBinOz]

GB,

You might be interested in this old thread about Bury 'Was Bury a Mason' (https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...m-bury-a-mason). The hangman Berry claimed that Bury’s sleeve-links “were engraved with the sign of the Masonic craft to which the criminal belonged” and that "at the moment he was talking he was wearing the cuff links that he took from the man’s cuffs when he pinioned his hands.”

Reading the ensuing posts it seems that a fairly good search was made to locate WHB in masonic registers, to no avail. Opinion seems to be that if Bury had masonic cuff-links he 'acquired' them as a status symbol. He does seem to have been rather vain and was noted for liking to 'sport his jewellery' in Dundee, as well as changing his attire several times a day.

Personally I think the ripper-mason angle holds less water than a sieve.

Hi Aethelwulf,

I was suggesting that the ripper mutilations resembled the Masonic tradition more than the sacrificial rites of Leviticus. Personally, I don't think the resemblance can be completely discarded.

Thanks for the link. I would share the opinion that Bury had "acquired" the cufflinks, but do not share the enthusiasm for Bury as a JtR candidate.

Cheers, George

[Aethelwulf]

Hi Harry D,

I'm not seeing a similarity with the sacrificial rites of Leviticus, but I do see a parallel with the Freemasonry Ritualistic tradition. In Freemason tradition there was a ritual punishment of three Jewish craftsmen –Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum (aka the Juwes) – who murdered Hiram, the builder of Solomon's temple, and were condemned to death by Solomon. All had their throats cut from left to right, one was severed in two, another had his bowels burnt to ashes, and another had his heart ripped out and his “vitals” thrown over his shoulder.

Cheers, George

GB,

You might be interested in this old thread about Bury 'Was Bury a Mason' (https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...m-bury-a-mason). The hangman Berry claimed that Bury’s sleeve-links “were engraved with the sign of the Masonic craft to which the criminal belonged” and that "at the moment he was talking he was wearing the cuff links that he took from the man’s cuffs when he pinioned his hands.”

Reading the ensuing posts it seems that a fairly good search was made to locate WHB in masonic registers, to no avail. Opinion seems to be that if Bury had masonic cuff-links he 'acquired' them as a status symbol. He does seem to have been rather vain and was noted for liking to 'sport his jewellery' in Dundee, as well as changing his attire several times a day.

Personally I think the ripper-mason angle holds less water than a sieve.

[GBinOz]

This isn't a clear-cut case. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That being said, it only requires a little interpretation of the physical evidence to see that the killer was carrying out the sacrificial rites of Leviticus.

Hi Harry D,

I'm not seeing a similarity with the sacrificial rites of Leviticus, but I do see a parallel with the Freemasonry Ritualistic tradition. In Freemason tradition there was a ritual punishment of three Jewish craftsmen –Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum (aka the Juwes) – who murdered Hiram, the builder of Solomon's temple, and were condemned to death by Solomon. All had their throats cut from left to right, one was severed in two, another had his bowels burnt to ashes, and another had his heart ripped out and his “vitals” thrown over his shoulder.

Cheers, George

[NotBlamedForNothing]

This isn't a clear-cut case. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That being said, it only requires a little interpretation of the physical evidence to see that the killer was carrying out the sacrificial rites of Leviticus.

Leviticus 3-4

Interesting, Harry. So what do suppose is going on in regards to Lipski, and the GSG?

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Walked when committing murders, possible use of cart
Steady work, probably involving manuel labor
Lower class but not poor
Former military and or navy/ sailor
Looked down on police

Did he look like a sailor, or a costermonger?

Coster culture and style (Wikipedia article on Costermongers)

Consider some of the points made in Henry Mayhew's description of the costermonger's attire ...

A well-to-do 'coster,' when dressed for the day's work, usually wears a small cloth cap, a little on one side.

Their waistcoats, which are of a broad-ribbed corduroy, with fustian back and sleeves, being made as long as a groom's, and buttoned up nearly to the throat. If the corduroy be of a light sandy colour, ...

The costermonger, however, prides himself most of all upon his neckerchief and boots.

The following is the description of the Church Passage man, from the Police Gazette.

At 1.35 a.m., 30th September, with Catherine Eddows, in Church-passage, leading to Mitre-square, where she was found murdered at 1.45 a.m., same date - A MAN, age 30, height 5 ft. 7 or 8 in., complexion fair, moustache fair, medium build; dress, pepper-and-salt colour loose jacket, grey cloth cap with peak of same material, reddish neckerchief tied in knot; appearance of a sailor.

The Wiki article states:

Costermongers exhibited a distinct identity. Individuals signalled membership of the coster community through a dress code, especially the large neckerchief, known as a kingsman, tied round their necks.

Regarding costermongers and the police:

Their hostility towards the police was legendary.

The events surrounding the costermongers' resistance to various attempts to eradicate them from the streets only heightened their animosity towards the police, which could be extreme. For many members of the working class, the costermongers' highly-visible resistance made them heroes.

Was Church Passage Man a coster?

[Harry D]

How can you possibly say the "only" ritual significance of the kidney can be found in the Jewish bible, when we have no grounds on which to claim the ritual significance is from ANY religious texts?

How do we know the purpose of the ritual was sacrifice? Plenty of serial killers, or for that matter plenty of people, have adopted ritualistic behaviour without it being forced to match any mainstream dogma.

I'm sorry, but we could as easily argue that he was going for the kidney, because he knew it could be devilled for breakfast, and that desanguination is good slaughter practise, without religion appearing as well.

And for what it is worth, if somebody's perspective is skewered enough to believe that Leviticus is the ritual guide to killing humans as sacrifice, I think it is fair to believe they could be warped from the bible as it is from anywhere else.

This isn't a clear-cut case. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That being said, it only requires a little interpretation of the physical evidence to see that the killer was carrying out the sacrificial rites of Leviticus.

[Abby Normal]

Apropos of some of the crumbs of the aforementioned; I've ruminated on the "sacrificial" style of the killings - sailing dangerously close to Stephen Knight's waters.
There were many soldiers returning from theatres of conflict in the British Empire - and many colonial subjects following suit - wherein tribal sacrifice was practiced. The Yoruban practice may still be found to this day in Muti killings and the like - the sacrificial blade being a Sewuj (Juwes?) . The Thugee performed similar rituals.

Might muti killing - or copycat killing mimicked from witnessed rituals - and suchlike be behind such objective and fastidious post mortem mutilation?

hi Fantomas
I do think there might have been a ritualistic reason that the ripper did what he did-but probably more for his own sick inner fantasy than anything else.

however, if there was some sort of external force driving it, I do rather like this idea as being the most likely.

in my profile, I posit he was probably ex military or navy or sailor, so that jibes with your idea.

also, your idea made me think of early serial killer Albert Fish, who when writing the letter to the parents of the girl he killed, cut up and cannibalized, he said he got the idea after his friend (although it was probably him) told him a story about doing it after disasterous trip on a ship abroad.

[TomTomKent]

the kidney is mentioned numerous times as a sacrificial offering in the pentateuch.

the kidney is a random organ to target. not the easiest to find or extract, which would rule out a snatch n' grab.

he obviously felt it held special value. the only ritualistic significance of the kidney can be found in the jewish bible. for christians, jesus WAS the final sacrifice. however, for a deranged jew looking to atone for his sins, this would be rejected in favour of ritual sacrifice.

leviticus also cites the removal of the breasts and right thigh as an offering. same thing happened to mary kelly.

the ripper was a jew.

How can you possibly say the "only" ritual significance of the kidney can be found in the Jewish bible, when we have no grounds on which to claim the ritual significance is from ANY religious texts?

How do we know the purpose of the ritual was sacrifice? Plenty of serial killers, or for that matter plenty of people, have adopted ritualistic behaviour without it being forced to match any mainstream dogma.

I'm sorry, but we could as easily argue that he was going for the kidney, because he knew it could be devilled for breakfast, and that desanguination is good slaughter practise, without religion appearing as well.

And for what it is worth, if somebody's perspective is skewered enough to believe that Leviticus is the ritual guide to killing humans as sacrifice, I think it is fair to believe they could be warped from the bible as it is from anywhere else.

[Kattrup]

the kidney is mentioned numerous times as a sacrificial offering in the pentateuch.

the kidney is a random organ to target. not the easiest to find or extract, which would rule out a snatch n' grab.

he obviously felt it held special value. the only ritualistic significance of the kidney can be found in the jewish bible. for christians, jesus WAS the final sacrifice. however, for a deranged jew looking to atone for his sins, this would be rejected in favour of ritual sacrifice.

leviticus also cites the removal of the breasts and right thigh as an offering. same thing happened to mary kelly.

the ripper was a jew.

Hello Harry

While this theory is interesting, I think it needs to be addressed that the Leviticus-verses you invoke are about male animals?
A Jewish ritual sacrifice would require a bull or a ram, not a cow or an ewe.

Also somewhat problematic is the KJV translation of thigh as shoulder, so the version actually known to LVP would have been “the breasts and the right shoulder”. But of course one could claim that a Jew might have learned the original hebrew.

[Fantomas]

Apropos of some of the crumbs of the aforementioned; I've ruminated on the "sacrificial" style of the killings - sailing dangerously close to Stephen Knight's waters.
There were many soldiers returning from theatres of conflict in the British Empire - and many colonial subjects following suit - wherein tribal sacrifice was practiced. The Yoruban practice may still be found to this day in Muti killings and the like - the sacrificial blade being a Sewuj (Juwes?) . The Thugee performed similar rituals.

Might muti killing - or copycat killing mimicked from witnessed rituals - and suchlike be behind such objective and fastidious post mortem mutilation?