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  • albie
    started a topic Ripper was several people...

    Ripper was several people...

    Acting as one.

    We know this from the death of Stride. One man doing the deed the other watching out for people seeing them. Isn't it odd that this murder was the most tricky being so close to a club where people were coming and going. And it just so happens that the ripper had an accomplice that night(and maybe every night)

    This was not one lunatic. It was a group of people doing this for a purpose other than simply killing women.

  • albie
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    Originally posted by Harry D View Post
    No, it's never been confirmed who the witness was or the circumstances behind their sighting of Kosminski.
    Anderson & Swanson wrote that it was a Jew, whereas Melville Macnaghten in his 1894 memo said it was a "City PC near Mitre Square", which would suggest Eddowes' murder.
    Russel Edwards in NAMING THE RIPPER describes the moment when Schwartz identified Kosminksi.

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  • Harry D
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    Originally posted by albie View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but the man attacking Stride near where she was later found was identified as Kosminski by the witness.
    No, it's never been confirmed who the witness was or the circumstances behind their sighting of Kosminski.
    Anderson & Swanson wrote that it was a Jew, whereas Melville Macnaghten in his 1894 memo said it was a "City PC near Mitre Square", which would suggest Eddowes' murder.

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  • albie
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    Correct me if I am wrong but the man attacking Stride near where she was later found was identified as Kosminski by the witness. There is genetic evidence that Kosminki was the ripper according to Russell Edwards. (Still waiting to hear all the dna evidence on that one. Edwards has been taking to court anyone who has attempted to debunk his evidence, including a major newspaper. LIke to know if he was successful)

    The man attacking Stride spoke to the man smoking the pipe by saying LIPSKI! A Jewish talk on Socialism was taking place at the club at the time. The ripper assumed Schwartz(the witness) was a Jew. Why say anything and create another witness? Where would be the best place to look out for witnesses? Near the club doors where the pipe smoker was stood.

    And if he knew there were two witnesses then why did he continue to kill Stride?

    Two attacks on a prostitute(and the witness saw a knife in the first attack) in the same spot within minutes of each other?

    Seems a bit unlikely.

    Two men or more.
    Last edited by albie; 11-22-2018, 08:35 AM.

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  • c.d.
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    According to various online UK inflation calculators, a £500 reward in 1888 looks like it would be worth just over £60,000 in 2018. I'm thinking specifically about the £500 reward offered by the City Police on 1st October 1888 in response to the Eddowes murder. If one adds the offer to match that amount, made by the Lord Mayor, the resulting £1,000 would be worth circa £126,000 in today's money.
    Thanks, Sam. For those that reckon in dollars 126,000 pounds comes to over $161,000 in today's dollars. A great deal of money back then.

    c.d.

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  • Harry D
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    There have been several conspiracy theories concerning the Ripper murders. At some stage of another the blame has been placed on the Freemasons, Fenians and Royal Family. Peter Turnbull thought each murder was carried out by a separate hand as a result of mass hysteria generated by Coroner Baxter and the press.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by c.d. View Post
    P.S. Has anybody ever put the reward amount into today's dollars?
    According to various online UK inflation calculators, a £500 reward in 1888 looks like it would be worth just over £60,000 in 2018. I'm thinking specifically about the £500 reward offered by the City Police on 1st October 1888 in response to the Eddowes murder. If one adds the offer to match that amount, made by the Lord Mayor, the resulting £1,000 would be worth circa £126,000 in today's money.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
    Iíve got that bloody jingle running through my head, now:

    Oh, Mr Cross...

    Yes, Dr Blackwell?

    Do you really put a torso in your soup?
    "Yes. I've found that it gives the soup some extra body."

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  • c.d.
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    You always have to factor in the offer of a reward when considering the accomplice theory. It was a large amount of money to a poor person and a great incentive to rat out a partner. Yet such a scenario never came to pass.

    c.d.

    P.S. Has anybody ever put the reward amount into today's dollars?

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    A souper suggestion Gareth
    Iíve got that bloody jingle running through my head, now:

    Oh, Mr Cross...

    Yes, Dr Blackwell?

    Do you really put a torso in your soup? Can you tell me man to man, how you get it in the can....

    I know it does quite work in Ripper terms, or as a recipe, but itís catchy.

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  • kjab3112
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    Having re-read the Schwartz statement with the twin killer view point, one idea springs to mind. Were the killers acting as a duo, one scares/threatens/attacks, the second is a knight in shining armour who comes to the rescue. This would explain the apparent trust by the victims up until MJK but would require London having effectively three serial killers active at the same time, admittedly two acting in unison (yes I know about Fisherman's Torso-Ripper theory, which might even be explained by a double act scenario).

    Paul

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
    Burgho and Barnaby?

    To be found in the hot dog zone.
    Barnett And Williams: available for pantomimes, Bar Mitzvahís And childrenís parties.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
    Burgho and Barnaby?

    To be found in the hot dog zone.
    LOL. now that was funny.

    no offence to Albie or Jerry Dunlop. but ive never gone for the more than one man idea and or conspiracy. but at least Jerry does excellent research and backs up his theory with facts and knowledge and good analysis. hes the one that's sometimes got me thinking... just maybe.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Burgho and Barnaby?

    To be found in the hot dog zone.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    Given that Schwartz was a Stride witness, perhaps we're talking about Cross and Blackwell. If only we had a first-hand contemporary sauce...
    A souper suggestion Gareth

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