Connections or random?

[Abby Normal]

What about this. http://listverse.com/2016/01/02/10-serial-killer-cops/

how many were active cops at the time of their serial killing?

[Batman]

how many were active cops at the time of their serial killing?

Quite a few of them. There are lots more also.

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Sam. You don't think Polly Nichols knew Frances Coles? They lived in the same house together. And Polly lived in the same house as Annie Chapman prior to her death.

Hello Tom

That doesn't necessarily mean that their paths would have crossed particularly often, assuming their tenure in those houses overlapped to any appreciable extent.

[DJA]

Two inpatients together with Rheumatic Fever in 1867/68 closely match Nichols and Eddowes/Conway.
Strep pyogenes also attacks the kidneys and resides in the intestines.
Before Kate left to go hopping both lived next door.
When she returned,Eddowes headed for Shoe Lane.
Surmise Tom was referring to 35 Dorset Street.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Tom

That doesn't necessarily mean that their paths would have crossed particularly often, assuming their tenure in those houses overlapped to any appreciable extent.

Nothing is definite, but when you have people living in the same house it's not fair to say there's no reason to suspect they may have known each other. It was reported in the press that Annie Chapman and Mary Kelly knew each other. That is of course not proof they did, but that report on top of their being neighbors and such tips the scales in that favor. Now, whether any of this has anything at all to do with their murders is entirely another matter.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Re: Batman's question, there's little reason to believe an active cop was the Ripper. Or even a former cop. He may have been but there's no reason to suppose he was.

[Debra A]

Nothing is definite, but when you have people living in the same house it's not fair to say there's no reason to suspect they may have known each other. It was reported in the press that Annie Chapman and Mary Kelly knew each other. That is of course not proof they did, but that report on top of their being neighbors and such tips the scales in that favor. Now, whether any of this has anything at all to do with their murders is entirely another matter.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

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I agree, Tom. We also don't know for definite whether the women's paths may have crossed in earlier years or in places apart from their lodgings. Both Martha Tabram and Catherine Eddowes were using the workhouse at Mint St Southwark and Newington workhouse and casual ward around the same time in the late 1870's, as was Mary Ann Monk and other women with names familiar in this case. Newington workhouse is one of the few workhouses where the casual ward registers have survived, Perhaps the records of the Whitechapel, Mile End, SGE etc. casual wards, had they survived, might have revealed the women staying in the wards at the same times on occasion?

[Batman]

P.S. Re: Batman's question, there's little reason to believe an active cop was the Ripper. Or even a former cop. He may have been but there's no reason to suppose he was.

After reading your book I went and looked into the matter again because I was always of the opinion that LE involvement in these cases is just so rare and to rule it out. It turns out that there have been quite a few instances and so that opened that possibility for me. Your book seems to be suggesting though that if we follow the train of thought you present, that LE was involved or complicit in some way. Did I read into it right? If not you can correct me.

Thanks

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Debs. Were those records destroyed in the war along with so much else?

Hi Batman. No, I don't suggest that a cop was involved in the murders. I suggest that Sgt. William Thick tried to fit up John Pizer for the murders at one point. I also point out that he had a relationship with the top lodging house keepers in the area. I think it's highly possible some of these men knew who the Ripper was and worked to protect him. Or protect something close to them. From what I can tell, they certainly didn't benefit from the murders themselves. A lawyer did write a letter expressing his opinion that William Thick was the Ripper, but I don't believe it and I don't believe he personall knew who the Ripper was.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Debra A]

Hi Debs. Were those records destroyed in the war along with so much else?

I can't possibly say at this stage, Tom, but watch out for an announcement on the 29th February!

[Batman]

Hi Debs. Were those records destroyed in the war along with so much else?

Hi Batman. No, I don't suggest that a cop was involved in the murders. I suggest that Sgt. William Thick tried to fit up John Pizer for the murders at one point. I also point out that he had a relationship with the top lodging house keepers in the area. I think it's highly possible some of these men knew who the Ripper was and worked to protect him. Or protect something close to them. From what I can tell, they certainly didn't benefit from the murders themselves. A lawyer did write a letter expressing his opinion that William Thick was the Ripper, but I don't believe it and I don't believe he personall knew who the Ripper was.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Thanks for that. So what about this same person happening to find the bloody apron piece? A coincidence?

[Tom_Wescott]

Thanks for that. So what about this same person happening to find the bloody apron piece? A coincidence?

What same person? Sgt Thick was nowhere near Goulston Street and had nothing to do with the apron piece. PC Albert Long found it. I have a long essay about Goulston Street in my upcoming book.

Debs, Feb. 29th it is! LOL. I'll be holding my breath.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Batman]

Sgt Thick was nowhere near Goulston Street and had nothing to do with the apron piece.
Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Okay thanks for that clarification.

[MrBarnett]

You weren't too far off, though. Stride was in Tiger Bay in the days before her death. Also in Hanbury Street.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Tom,

What do you have in mind when you speak of 'Tiger Bay' in 1888?

Gary

[Tom_Wescott]

Tom,

What do you have in mind when you speak of 'Tiger Bay' in 1888?

Gary

Stride visited a friend in Tiger Bay not long before her murder. Tiger Bay wasn't too far distant from Berner Street.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Not the more famous Tiger Bay in South Wales then Tom?


Phil