The kidney removal of Catherine Eddowes.

[Patrick Differ]

My point is it seems unlikely that the Doctors would not be aware of any shenanigans by mortuary assistants since the result is tampering with evidence in an investigation. It would also put their own reputations at risk. I suppose it could happen in the case of Eddowes since her body was not examined for close to 12 hours after her death. These victims were not the same however as those poor who died and required autopsy because the family requested it. Most poor were just buried without any post mortem at all. The mortuary assistants would have known that these were Ripper victims so the probability of extraction by them in my estimation would be very low. Reids claim, for the time in which he lived, is not unexpected.

[Doctored Whatsit]

Thank you for this. If it's true that the killer didn't remove any organs, the 'From Hell' letter/kidney has to be a hoax? Apologies if you've been through this before.

A very important point. At no time, as far as I am aware, did the police say that the alleged Eddowes' kidney could not have been hers because no organs were ever removed.

[FISHY1118]

You keep quoting the post mortem reports and we know that the organs were not found missing until then !!!!!!!!!!!!!

In January 2016, a News of the World newspaper article dated 1896 was published in an online Ripper magazine. The paper featured an interview with Detective Inspector Reid who had retired that same year.

The News of the World journalist conducting the interview justifiably described Inspector Reid as ‘one of the most remarkable men ever engaged in the business of detecting crime.’ They met at Reid’s home and when sat at the drawing-room table the journalist bluntly asked the Reid ‘Tell me all about the Ripper murders.’ Reid responded by opening a cabinet drawer that contained ‘assassin’s knives, portraits, and a thousand and one curiosities of criminal association.’ Among the criminological ephemera was ‘probably the most remarkable photographic chamber of horrors in existence.’ Reid owned a set of Jack the Ripper victim photographs which he spread out on the table before telling the tale of the Whitechapel murders. Part of this interview would turn out to be the corroboration I was seeking, to negate the killer taking organs.

Set out below is part of that interview, which solely relates to Reid discussing the Mary Kelly Murder in which as can be seen, Reid does not refer to any other murder.

“This was a case in which a pretty, fair-haired, blue-eyed, youthful girl was murdered. She rented a room in a house in Dorset-street, for which she paid 4s 6d a week rent. The room was badly furnished for the reason that her class of people always pawn or sell anything decent they ever get into their places. The curtains to the windows were torn and one of the panes of glass was broken.
Kelly was in arrears with her rent and one morning a man known as ‘The Indian’, who was in the employment of the landlord of the house, went round about eight o’clock to see the woman about the money. Receiving no answer to his knock at the door, he peered through the window, and through the torn curtain saw the horrible sight of the woman lying on her bed hacked to pieces and pieces of her flesh placed upon the table.
I ought to tell you that the stories of portions of the body having been taken away by the murderer were all untrue. In every instance the body was complete. The mania of the murderer was exclusively for horrible mutilation. The landlord was brought round to the house by his man, and the sight of the poor mutilated woman turned his brain

All the evidence in all of the murders clearly points to the motive being nothing more than murder and mutilation

Now you can huff and puff all you like but it is not going to change the facts or the evidence to suggest that the killer of these women did not remove their organs

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Again you deflect trevor , im not taking about whether the organs were taken out of the room, only that they were taken out of mary kellys body !!!!! which is a fact you want to ignore . Your the one doing the huffing and puffing not i .

[FISHY1118]

You keep quoting the post mortem reports and we know that the organs were not found missing until then !!!!!!!!!!!!!

In January 2016, a News of the World newspaper article dated 1896 was published in an online Ripper magazine. The paper featured an interview with Detective Inspector Reid who had retired that same year.

The News of the World journalist conducting the interview justifiably described Inspector Reid as ‘one of the most remarkable men ever engaged in the business of detecting crime.’ They met at Reid’s home and when sat at the drawing-room table the journalist bluntly asked the Reid ‘Tell me all about the Ripper murders.’ Reid responded by opening a cabinet drawer that contained ‘assassin’s knives, portraits, and a thousand and one curiosities of criminal association.’ Among the criminological ephemera was ‘probably the most remarkable photographic chamber of horrors in existence.’ Reid owned a set of Jack the Ripper victim photographs which he spread out on the table before telling the tale of the Whitechapel murders. Part of this interview would turn out to be the corroboration I was seeking, to negate the killer taking organs.

Set out below is part of that interview, which solely relates to Reid discussing the Mary Kelly Murder in which as can be seen, Reid does not refer to any other murder.

“This was a case in which a pretty, fair-haired, blue-eyed, youthful girl was murdered. She rented a room in a house in Dorset-street, for which she paid 4s 6d a week rent. The room was badly furnished for the reason that her class of people always pawn or sell anything decent they ever get into their places. The curtains to the windows were torn and one of the panes of glass was broken.
Kelly was in arrears with her rent and one morning a man known as ‘The Indian’, who was in the employment of the landlord of the house, went round about eight o’clock to see the woman about the money. Receiving no answer to his knock at the door, he peered through the window, and through the torn curtain saw the horrible sight of the woman lying on her bed hacked to pieces and pieces of her flesh placed upon the table.
I ought to tell you that the stories of portions of the body having been taken away by the murderer were all untrue. In every instance the body was complete. The mania of the murderer was exclusively for horrible mutilation. The landlord was brought round to the house by his man, and the sight of the poor mutilated woman turned his brain

All the evidence in all of the murders clearly points to the motive being nothing more than murder and mutilation

Now you can huff and puff all you like but it is not going to change the facts or the evidence to suggest that the killer of these women did not remove their organs

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

The abdomen had been entirely laid open: the intestines, severed from their mesenteric attachments, had been lifted out of the body and placed on the shoulder of the corpse; whilst from the pelvis, the uterus and its appendages with the upper portion of the vagina and the posterior two thirds of the bladder, had been entirely removed. No trace of these parts could be found and the incisions were cleanly cut, avoiding the rectum, and dividing the vagina low enough to avoid injury to the cervix uteri. Obviously the work was that of an expert- of one, at least, who had such knowledge of anatomical or pathological examinations as to be enabled to secure the pelvic organs with one sweep of the knife, which must therefore must have at least 5 or 6 inches in length, probably more. The appearance of the cuts confirmed him in the opinion that the instrument, like the one which divided the neck, had been of a very sharp character. The mode in which the knife had been used seemed to indicate great anatomical knowledge.

Either the killer did this at Chapmans crime scene, or a someone performed it at the mortuary ... Wow they sure fooled Dr. George Bagster Phillips.


I only mention the part in red for those whose believe the killer had no, or may not needed any anatomical knowledge .



Either the killer did this at Chapmans crime scene, or a someone performed it at the mortuary

' Answer the question trevor .

[Trevor Marriott]

Again you deflect trevor , im not taking about whether the organs were taken out of the room, only that they were taken out of mary kellys body !!!!! which is a fact you want to ignore . Your the one doing the huffing and puffing not i .

I don't ignore that fact, but what point are you trying to make? I know what the doctor's report says that the heart was absent from the pericardium it doesnt say the heart was missing from the room having been taken away by the killer. Insp Reid in his interview can now clarify that ambiguous statement by the doctor by saying the body was complete and no organs were missing.

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[FISHY1118]

I don't ignore that fact, but what point are you trying to make? I know what the doctor's report says that the heart was absent from the pericardium it doesnt say the heart was missing from the room having been taken away by the killer. Insp Reid in his interview can now clarify that ambiguous statement by the doctor by saying the body was complete and no organs were missing.

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Ok once more with the intent to get a proper and straight forward ,less running around and around the mulberry bush answer trevor , did the killer remove the organs from mary kellys body and place them around the room and around her mutilated corps ????? YES OR NO ?

[Sam Flynn]

I have no idea of the level of skill or anatomical knowledge a body dealer or a mortuary attendant would have had but it goes to show that if the killer removed the organs at the crime scenes then we should have seen the organ extractions carried out the same way

No !!! The fact that the organs were removed in different ways - and very crudely and messily at that - points in precisely the opposite direction from which which you're arguing. In each and every case, the evidence points overwhelmingly to someone improvising as he went along, in poor light and under time-pressure. This isn't remotely what one would expect from practised hand of a butcher, slaughterman or even a mortuary attendant.