The kidney removal of Catherine Eddowes.

[The Rookie Detective]

I think the question should be...


Could a man with no anatomical knowledge, no skill with a knife, and/or no surgical skill, manage to inflict the injuries that he did on his victims?

(We have to consider that the killer had limited restrictions with time and light when attempting to answer that question)


If the answer is a resounding NO, then the killer is considerably more likely to have been an individual who was used to cutting things up for a living.

A surgeon
A person with surgical experience
A person with medical experience
A butcher
A horse slaughterer
A professional killer
Any profession that used a knife


For me, the killer almost certainly needed to have been at least one of the above list.


If not, then how could a man with no anatomical knowledge, no surgical skill, and/or no skill with a knife, manage to do what he did?

The killer may have been lucky to flee and escape, but luck doesn't play a part in the level of njuries he managed to achieve in the relatively short amount of time he had, and all in relative darkness.

[FISHY1118]

On another point, I rule out a surgeon or a doctor as the Anatomy Act allowed Bona Fide medical personnel access to organs from mortuaries

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Rule them out from what exactly ?

[Indian Harry]

If the answer is a resounding NO, then the killer is considerably more likely to have been an individual who was used to cutting things up for a living.

A surgeon
A person with surgical experience
A person with medical experience
A butcher
A horse slaughterer
A professional killer
Any profession that used a knife


For me, the killer almost certainly needed to have been at least one of the above list.

I am with you on this.

Now that you mention horse slaughteres... I sometimes ponder the possibility that Nichols was done in by one of the slaughterers employed right there in Bucks Row. For subsequent murders the culprit was smart enough to operate a little further from his place of employment to avoid drawing attention.

[Abby Normal]

I think the question should be...


Could a man with no anatomical knowledge, no skill with a knife, and/or no surgical skill, manage to inflict the injuries that he did on his victims?

(We have to consider that the killer had limited restrictions with time and light when attempting to answer that question)


If the answer is a resounding NO, then the killer is considerably more likely to have been an individual who was used to cutting things up for a living.

A surgeon
A person with surgical experience
A person with medical experience
A butcher
A horse slaughterer
A professional killer
Any profession that used a knife


For me, the killer almost certainly needed to have been at least one of the above list.


If not, then how could a man with no anatomical knowledge, no surgical skill, and/or no skill with a knife, manage to do what he did?

The killer may have been lucky to flee and escape, but luck doesn't play a part in the level of njuries he managed to achieve in the relatively short amount of time he had, and all in relative darkness.

hi rookie
good post and completely agree. i would add a hunter/ fisherman to the list. at the very least the ripper had anatomical knowledge and was skilled with tje knife.

[Trevor Marriott]

Rule them out from what exactly ?

From being the killer !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[The Rookie Detective]

hi rookie
good post and completely agree. i would add a hunter/ fisherman to the list. at the very least the ripper had anatomical knowledge and was skilled with tje knife.

Yes, I agree.

An individual who was experienced at hunting animals and various prey is an excellent point. They would no doubt be skilled with a knife and I think you're spot on with that idea.

It would be good to have a list of all those suspects and/or persons of interest that would fit into the list.

it's always surprised me that subjective observations like age, height, appearance, ethnicity, attire etc... sometimes take precedence over the fact that the Ripper must of had at least one of the following...


Anatomical Knowledge
Surgical Skill
Skill with a knife
Experience with a knife


I feel that at least one of those listed above can be attributed to the Ripper. Not necessarily all, but one at least.

[Patrick Differ]

Fishman in his East End 1888 describes the mortuaries in questions as no more than a h

[Patrick Differ]

Not sure what happened there..fat fingers. Per Fishman the Mortuaries were described as no more than human slaughterhouses. Small , not well lit and not furnished with medical equipment. I have not read where the Doctors in the case of Chapman and Eddowes distinguished the Intestine specific anatomy like descending colon or transverse colon. The Peritoneum was not a thick membrane. This begs the question..Did the killer get a better view of the abdomen in emerging light after he removed " intestines " during Chapman and apply what he learned to Eddowes? Butchers deal with viscera daily with animals v a mortuary assistant with no medical skill as they are not the ones removing organs.
i do not believe this killer was a transient because of the depth of local knowledge required to escape in a 20 to 30 minute cycle. If the Eddowes apron on Goulston Street showed anything it showed a killer completely comfortable within an area teaming with Constables and plain clothes detectives all the while taunting them. He lived right there. No transient could be that lucky ( my opinion).