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  • Originally posted by DJA View Post
    The coroner has to drag evidence from Phillips regarding the weapon...
    He wouldn't have to drag it from Sutton.

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    • Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post

      He wouldn't have to drag it from Sutton.
      You mean his medical peer who walked past Phillip's residence, on an almost daily basis from about 1868 to 1876, to and from work between Finsbury Square and the London Hospital.

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      • Originally posted by DJA View Post
        The quote is Bond's at the inquest.
        Compare to Chapman's blood sprays.
        Apology for not being clear.

        Thanks Dave, yes, Dr Brown.. sorry my fault, bud

        Surely, Eddowes was just tipped over to her side when her throat was cut (to avoid arterial spray), and the blood pooled by her neck.



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        • The throat was "cut across" with the coroner using the term "severed" when questioning Bond.
          Have a look at the mortuary 'photo.

          Jack purportedly avoided blood by operating on the right of the body.
          Makes no sense as there was roughly equal blood pools on both sides of the neck.

          Jack manages to do all that work in the dark within 5 minutes and is discounted as a butcher.

          The doctors apparently cannot believe the removed body parts were of any use.

          So why did he take them.

          Was he a pathologist?

          Was Eddowes a long term patient!
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          • Originally posted by DJA View Post
            The throat was "cut across" with the coroner using the term "severed" when questioning Bond.
            Have a look at the mortuary 'photo.

            Jack purportedly avoided blood by operating on the right of the body.
            Makes no sense as there was roughly equal blood pools on both sides of the neck.
            I`d say Eddowes was slightly tipped over to her left and the blood pooled there, with some escaping and running downwards to her right side. It was fluid blood on her right side, and clotted on her left.

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            • Her head and neck were on an angle.
              Also agree on the blood.
              No blood on the front of her clothes.
              If she was still alive when her throat was slashed,where's the blood spray?
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              • Originally posted by DJA View Post
                No blood on the front of her clothes.
                If she was still alive when her throat was slashed,where's the blood spray?
                Same with Nichols, Stride and McKenzie. No blood spray, but there doesn`t always have to be arterial spray.

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                • Originally posted by DJA View Post
                  If she was still alive when her throat was slashed,where's the blood spray?
                  Obscured by the pool of blood?

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                  • Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

                    Obscured by the pool of blood?
                    Just looking at "richardh"s 'photo enhancement of Eddowes.

                    It appears that only her right artery was severed.

                    Possibly worth reevaluating the lack of spray,blood pools,etc.

                    Edit. Remeasured the colon. 15" max.
                    Last edited by DJA; 10-11-2019, 12:44 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by DJA View Post

                      Just looking at "richardh"s 'photo enhancement of Eddowes.

                      It appears that only her right artery was severed.

                      Possibly worth reevaluating the lack of spray,blood pools,etc.

                      Edit. Remeasured the colon. 15" max.
                      Er, not according to Dr Brown. It was her left artery and vein that were severed, the right artery only had a pinhole nick in it, the vein was opened but not totally severed. Perhaps the photo has been reversed?

                      Also, the sketch of Eddowes in the square isn't a photo so I wouldn't rely on it for exact measurements.

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                      • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post

                        Same with Nichols, Stride and McKenzie. No blood spray, but there doesn`t always have to be arterial spray.
                        exactly
                        if they are dead or dying there will be less if any spray. and if they are lying down on there backs when the neck is cut and spray might be hard to detect if the ground is wet, the subsequent pooling of blood underneath obscures it, same for there clothes being wet or damp.
                        "Is all that we see or seem
                        but a dream within a dream?"

                        -Edgar Allan Poe


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                        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

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                        • Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

                          Er, not according to Dr Brown. It was her left artery and vein that were severed, the right artery only had a pinhole nick in it, the vein was opened but not totally severed. Perhaps the photo has been reversed?

                          Also, the sketch of Eddowes in the square isn't a photo so I wouldn't rely on it for exact measurements.
                          The 'photo is not reversed.

                          Given the sketcher's profession,the colon would be thereabouts.It certainly ain't 24".
                          It's position is well defined and pro rata to her body. Pretty happy with 15".

                          All the best.
                          Last edited by DJA; 10-11-2019, 02:45 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                            if they are dead there will be less if any spray.
                            Apologize about the edit,however that is my point.

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                            • Originally posted by DJA View Post

                              Apologize about the edit,however that is my point.
                              yup the ripper probably strangled them to death anyway on the spot before the throat cut.
                              "Is all that we see or seem
                              but a dream within a dream?"

                              -Edgar Allan Poe


                              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                              -Frederick G. Abberline

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                              • Originally posted by DJA View Post

                                Just looking at "richardh"s 'photo enhancement of Eddowes.

                                It appears that only her right artery was severed.
                                Like I said elsewhere, whether her right artery was severed or not, it has no bearing at all on time of death. You could have picked a more suitable thread, or started one if necessary.
                                Last edited by Sam Flynn; 10-11-2019, 04:45 PM.
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