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That's a very good point, Jon. Also Mitre Square is not on a direct route to Old Broad Street from Doveton Street. It's close by, but then just about everywhere in Whitechapel and The City is close by everywhere else in Whitechapel and The City, so that gets us nowhere.
Thanks John, and GY is also a good fit for the GSG.
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The Doctor said at 5.30 she`d been dead some 3hrs, so about 2.30am.
Yes, that’s what I thought, so a good hour before Crow arrived home. The doc could’ve been out an hour or so, though.
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Thanks John, and GY is also a good fit for the GSG.
I have no idea what relevance Mitre Square not being on a direct route from Doveton Street (Mile End) to Broad Street has to the discussion.

Fish’s thinking is that Eddowes was killed on CAL’s day off and his familiarity with the Mitre Square area can from it being close to the route he would likely have taken before he moved to Doveton Street in 1888. A route he may have taken for over twenty years.
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21-year-old Crow vs 39-year-old Cross.

Which is the better JtR candidate based on age?
based on witness descriptions-probably lech
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Yes, that’s what I thought, so a good hour before Crow arrived home. The doc could’ve been out an hour or so, though.
Possibly, and Crow could have lied about the time he walked thru the door.

It`s interesting that The Crow (even the name is sinister) didn`t know if Tabram was dead or sleeping when he passes her, yet Reeves notices she is lying in a pool of blood.
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I have no idea what relevance Mitre Square not being on a direct route from Doveton Street (Mile End) to Broad Street has to the discussion.

Fish’s thinking is that Eddowes was killed on CAL’s day off and his familiarity with the Mitre Square area can from it being close to the route he would likely have taken before he moved to Doveton Street in 1888. A route he may have taken for over twenty years.
and Goulston is on his way back home from mitre square/pickfords
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Possibly, and Crow could have lied about the time he walked thru the door.

It`s interesting that The Crow (even the name is sinister) didn`t know if Tabram was dead or sleeping when he passes her, yet Reeves notices she is lying in a pool of blood.
yes I raised the same point. you would think he would have noticed something amiss with her-especially the way she was positioned.


I think Lechmere is a sinister name too-swamp of leeches lol
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Batman: Why is "being found" standing beside a victim a better candidate than someone who was beside the victim and left her there without telling anyone!

It isn´t. But you are forgetting the full implications. Only Lechmere would have had reason to think that the victim he saw and examined was dead - Crow never touched the shape he saw, not was he able to make anything at all out in the darkness more than that somebody was on the floor. He was used to that, and had no reason to suspect foul play.
Furthermore, Lechmere was there at a remove in time which is consistent with him being the killer, something that - according to Killeen - Crow was not.
So once we look at things from a more realistic angle, the suspect value is massively on Lechmeres side.


Crow was a licenced cab driver who likely drove around Whitechapel.

And Lechmere was a carman who has a proven work trek that takes him close to or right by all the Spitalfields murder sites. Once again, Crow is outclassed.

Your claim is that the major routes are going passed murder sites. Well, then you need Crow as a licenced cab driver not going down any major routes ever to rule him out of the same claims you have for Cross.

No, I need him to have a verified reason for having been at the murder sites on the relevant hours, instead of driving his cab in Chelsea, Bow or somewhere else.
Discussion over, space wasted, let´s move on.
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Possibly, and Crow could have lied about the time he walked thru the door.

It`s interesting that The Crow (even the name is sinister) didn`t know if Tabram was dead or sleeping when he passes her, yet Reeves notices she is lying in a pool of blood.
He could have, but the cops will have knocked at his parents’ door and questioned them.

By the time Reeves found the body it was possibly getting light?

Yes the name is a bit sinister.😱
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and Goulston is on his way back home from mitre square/pickfords
Even more so if he goes via Haydon Square, but Bats has it on good authority that no one crossed Aldgate High Street that night.
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