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Old 04-25-2009, 11:50 AM
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I think the whole Stephenson theory stands or falls on motive.

There appears to be no basis for any magical theory or magical working that would require such murders. Also, in Ivor Edwards book its rather confusing if the distance between victims is measured by trundle wheel or as the crow flies as both methods of measurement are mentioned in that rather confusing book.

It happens that I know quite a bit about Crowley and his predecessors as I got drawn into a totally unrelated investigation last year. Knowing what I think I know about the (completely nutty) occult ideas these people had it wouldn't actually be necessary to kill someone at these points anyway. Unless Stephenson was making up something new.

So if the motive was not magical then what other motive is there?
If it was that he was a lunatic then why did the killings stop?
Is there any other motive?

Also, if you did want to go around killing people the worst place to be based would be a public ward in a hospital. Much better to rent a room somewhere where you can come and go as you please with no repeated witnesses like the staff.
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I have revisited this issue and maybe there is sufficient motive. If Stephenson believed that what he was doing would work then that might be motive enough even if nobody else agreed with him.

For that reason I have moved him onto my list of plausible suspects. Also because he can't be ruled out as being somewhere else at the time.
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I think the whole Stephenson theory stands or falls on motive.

So if the motive was not magical then what other motive is there?
If it was that he was a lunatic then why did the killings stop?
Is there any other motive?
Two very good questions. What was the motive for the killings? Why did the killings stop? Those are two important questions and if we knew the answer for certain we probably would no the identity of the Ripper.

Inspector Abberlines gives possible conclusions to both questions during an interview that took place in 1903. Abberline suggest organ harvesting as a possible motive. He tells the story of a strange man going to medical schools and trying to obtain organs. He suggest the possibility that the strange man hired another man to obtain the organs for him. If you read between the lines you might conclude that Abberline believed the Ripper had some sort of medical knowledge. I doubt that Abberline thought the strange American who wanted to obtain organs would hire some hack to obtain them.

Abberline goes on to say that he believed the Ripper fled to America. Think about it. Why did the killings stop?

1.The Ripper flees the area and his new murders are not connected to the Whitechaple murders.
2, The Ripper dies. He is either killed by someone or he commits suicide or he dies of natural causes.
3. The Ripper, is locked up for some other reason in an asylum or prison.

Those are the accepted reasons. Here are some more possible reasons.

4. The Ripper performed his task and was finished.
5. The Ripper's lebido became less of a force due to age or illness. If the murders were sex murders/lust crimes then it is possible his urges slowed down due to age or ilness.

Now, before someone jumps down my throat for endorsing Abberline's organ harvest theory or for puncuation and grammer misstakes. I am not endorsing Abberline's organ harvesting theory and I aint no English major. I am just useing Abberline's thoughts as an example that we have so many possible motives. That is why we have to be careful and not eliminate suspects such George Chapman.

Profilers will tell you that the Ripper killed to gain sexual satisfaction. This may be true but who to say the motive was not for some sort of black magic.

I believe the Ripper was scared of women. Because he was scared of women he became frustrated by them and then his frustration turned to anger. I think he took the organs as trophies. I think that the Ripper may have been gay. I know that the Ripper being gay is in complete contrast of what profilers will claim. However I think profiling is crap.

Motive is the key to solving the case. I suggest you do what everyone else does. Pick a suspect an then put forth a motive that fits your guy.

Your friend Brad

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For that reason I have moved him onto my list of plausible suspects. Also because he can't be ruled out as being somewhere else at the time.
Hi Gordon,

What Primary sources do you utilise to come to the conclusion that Stephenson can't be ruled out as being somewhere else at the time?
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Old 05-23-2009, 05:07 PM
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What Primary sources do you utilise to come to the conclusion that Stephenson can't be ruled out as being somewhere else at the time?
None, but I have not heard of anyone coming up with anything that proves he was somewhere else. In fact there is evidence he was in the area, unlike James Kelly (who can't be ruled out, but there is no evidence of him being in the area at the time so he is possible but not very likely).
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None, but I have not heard of anyone coming up with anything that proves he was somewhere else. In fact there is evidence he was in the area, unlike James Kelly (who can't be ruled out, but there is no evidence of him being in the area at the time so he is possible but not very likely).

Well, you cant rule out the possibility that an elephant can strand on one leg while balancing a daisey on its head but is it likely. The whole Stephenson thing seems abit far out but best of luck to you.

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Well, you cant rule out the possibility that an elephant can strand on one leg while balancing a daisey on its head but is it likely. The whole Stephenson thing seems abit far out but best of luck to you.

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I was saying he is plausible because he was there and he might have had a motive and we have all the other apparent evidence.

When it comes to the named popular suspects it is a case of ruling them out.
We can definitely rule out some of them e.g. Sickert was in France at least some of the time, Prince Albert Victor was seen in other places at the times of the murders. Stephenson has no alibi so he has to stay on the list. My feeling is that it has to have been a local person with a previous history of violence.
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Hi Gordon,

Does Stephenson being an inpatient at the London Hospital not give him an alibi?
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Hi Gordon,

Does Stephenson being an inpatient at the London Hospital not give him an alibi?
It might do, but it depends what's wrong with him.
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During the late 1860's, during his tenure at the Hull Custom's Stephenson is treated for Cerebral matters.

In 1888 he is in hospital suffering Neurosthenia/Neurasthenia, which is a nervous condition. He is required to stay as an inpatient for 134 days from 26th July 1888 to 7th Dec 1888.

In 1889 he is in hospital suffering Chloralism, which is caused by the habitual use of chloral compounds. He is required to stay as an inpatient for 73 days from 13th May 1889 until 25th July 1889.

In the Borderlands article Stephenson admits to having suffered Brain Fever.

Circumstances-Fate, if you will-however, intervened ; and at the time that I should have joined him in Madrid to undergo the preliminary training, I was down with brain fever. It was not to be.
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