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Old 04-13-2016, 05:19 PM
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Well, at least he didn't say 'rascal' which has completely lost its original meaning!

The fire in Miller's Court would have given some light, even if it was merely flickering shadows on the walls. However, Jack's main object may have been to give himself some warmth which he would surely need in an icy room.

Perhaps he brought his own source of light with him in the form of a couple of candles in receptacles. There were several ginger beer bottles in the room that could have been used as holders. If candle grease adhered to any of them the police would have taken it as Mary having used them as candle holders in the past.
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John, you forgot the rest of Doctor Sequeira's observation;

"Where the murder was committed was probably the darkest part of the square, but there was sufficient light to enable the miscreant to perpetrate the deed."
Only an applicable reference if the same person killed both women.
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I think it reasonable to assume that Mary's killer would have made an inquiry as to the likelihood of them being disturbed. It is possible that Mary's response was my neighbors know I have company when I have a fire going and they won't bother us.

If Mary was under the impression that this could be a regular customer who had some money the fire could have been a way to make him feel more comfortable.

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Could he have had medical knowlege and thought that heat might speed up the process of Rigor Mortis therefor confusing the time of death?

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Old 04-16-2016, 10:09 AM
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Hi.
If one takes the words.''Alright my love , you will be comfortable.'' Heard by Hutchinson, surely that could suggest that Mary may well have lit the fire after returning to her room, to warm the place up.
Seems logical.
If so Hutchinson would have been telling the truth. and all we have to determine is ''Did her client kill her''? or did she die after he left.
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Could he have had medical knowlege and thought that heat might speed up the process of Rigor Mortis therefor confusing the time of death?

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Entirely possible but my guess is that he didn't give a rat's behind about the TOD.

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I've always had 'issues' with how well Jackie Boy (or girl) was able to perform his deeds in such darkened conditions with such speed. Of course we are led to believe he really went to town in Miller's Court and I presume the 'illumination' from the fire helped.

My question is how bright would the fire have been? Would it still have been enough (with a candle perhaps) to see well enough? (The photos tell us it was.)

Just I struggle getting up in the night to go to the loo without kicking the cat etc... how did JtR manage in such gloomy conditions?
He might have been used to darkness.

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Old 04-16-2016, 07:37 PM
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Of course, Londoners in those days would have been used to pea soupers, gas lights not shedding much light, a sort of miasma over everything because of particles of whatever in the atmosphere at all hours, anyway. Their eyes would have adjusted to it.

I still come back to my old perennial. If Mary lit a fire for her clients, for Blotchy for instance, what did she use for fuel? Admittedly she could have pinched some kindling from somewhere and had the fire ready laid, but you can't produce lumps of coal or logs out of thin air. Somehow I don't think Mary had a coal or wood merchant on call. As she presumably didn't intend to use her client's clothing or her own as fuel, it remains a mystery.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:40 PM
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Hi Ros.

Mary Ann Cox said there was a ,,light,, from the room and the blinds were down, which challenges the room with a view angle. She herself is returning to warm her hands, so it,s possible Mary Jane had a similar fire going. Would a candle have been sufficient for the murder? I don,t think it,s out of the question, considering it may have been set on the bedside table. {Aside: was the red pelerine accounted?}

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Hello Rosella,

That's a good point. I wonder if Blotchy could have brought some coal with him.

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