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Old 12-09-2017, 06:37 AM
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I mean Abby don't forget if JB is LISK he killed 2 girls in November then one in Jan and he beat them up and posed them in the woods. All 3 were identified. Then a 2 year gap and Fire Island Jane Doe who is dismembered, legs dumped somewhere near fire island, head on gilgo beach and torso who knows where.
Hey rocky
I have theory I’m playing around with:

JB kills the original three (the ones he’s eventually busted for). They are quickly found and IDed. This scares him and he lies low for a few years.
When he starts kill again in 96 he realizes he needs to try and hide better and conceal ids so he starts his dismemberment phase.
Then, perhaps personal situation changes(with family, marriage kids?) and he can’t dismember anymore but still tries to hide bodies. This transition starts in 2006/2007 and from this point on all LISK and possible linked victims are not dismembered.
Last possible LISK victim is in 2013 and then JB is charged with the original three in 2014. Nothing since.

Whatya think?
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Yea it's totally possible
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Yea it's totally possible
It be interesting to know if he had any major life changes in 20006 like where he lived or getting married, etc
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Hey rocky
I have theory Iím playing around with:

JB kills the original three (the ones heís eventually busted for). They are quickly found and IDed. This scares him and he lies low for a few years.
When he starts kill again in 96 he realizes he needs to try and hide better and conceal ids so he starts his dismemberment phase.
Then, perhaps personal situation changes(with family, marriage kids?) and he canít dismember anymore but still tries to hide bodies. This transition starts in 2006/2007 and from this point on all LISK and possible linked victims are not dismembered.
Last possible LISK victim is in 2013 and then JB is charged with the original three in 2014. Nothing since.

Whatya think?
Also, The first (possible) victims of the dismemberment phase also happen to be the AC victims. So if they were JBs victims perhaps because of not being able to dismember because of a personal issues he follows raffo down there which precipitates the AC murders. Also AC is only a three hour drive.
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Also, The first (possible) victims of the dismemberment phase also happen to be the AC victims. So if they were JBs victims perhaps because of not being able to dismember because of a personal issues he follows raffo down there which precipitates the AC murders. Also AC is only a three hour drive.
Actually the LISK has dumped dismembered and non mutilated victims since the start. In 97 he dumped dismembered peaches and her daughter who wasnt, although she was a toddler. In November 2000 he dumped a torso and a non-mutilated male victim in Manorville which repeats again in the same place with Jessica Taylor's torso and John Doe in 2003. Then in 2005 asian male was dumped. Even after Maureen Brainard Barnes in June 2008 Tanya Rush was dismembered, which closes the gap between Maureen in 2007 and Melissa in 2009.
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It be interesting to know if he had any major life changes in 20006 like where he lived or getting married, etc
I mean neither of those two things he moved to Manorville in 2003 I think and got married earlier.
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Thanks for the update on this. I had not picked up on this.

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Actually the LISK has dumped dismembered and non mutilated victims since the start. In 97 he dumped dismembered peaches and her daughter who wasnt, although she was a toddler. In November 2000 he dumped a torso and a non-mutilated male victim in Manorville which repeats again in the same place with Jessica Taylor's torso and John Doe in 2003. Then in 2005 asian male was dumped. Even after Maureen Brainard Barnes in June 2008 Tanya Rush was dismembered, which closes the gap between Maureen in 2007 and Melissa in 2009.
Do you think this pattern might indicate the killer (IF there is only one) is bi-sexual?

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Do you think this pattern might indicate the killer (IF there is only one) is bi-sexual?

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Old 12-11-2017, 05:01 AM
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Just to simplify. The police have officially linked a total of ten victims to the LISK. 5 identified and 5 un identified. All ten remains were found along the ocean highway of jones, gilgo beach. 2 of those remains were also found in Manorville. JOHN Bitrolff lived in Manorville. JOHN bitrolff was recently found guilty in the murder of two prostitutes in similar fashion.
Since his arrest in 2014, no more murders.

Heís the LISK, itís just a matter of how many they link to him.
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