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  • What you fail to recognize is that it is not that I have a difficult time believing there was an accomplice (though it is unlikely). What I don't believe is you.

    You come off as an embellishing, attention-seeking drama queen who resorts to hissy fits whenever someone calls you on your bullshit.

    You make idiotic claims like " I saw him in the act of dumping two bodies" which is pure bullshit and then wonder why the police don't bother to contact you. They don't bother to contact you because you sound like a nutbag and you lack credibility. Hitching your wagon to a conspiracy nut like Noel further damages your credibility.

    Might there be an accomplice out there? Sure, why not. Do you have any credible information that will lead to his arrest? No.

    Let all Oz be agreed;
    I need a better class of flying monkeys.

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    • Originally posted by Ally View Post
      What you fail to recognize is that it is not that I have a difficult time believing there was an accomplice (though it is unlikely). What I don't believe is you.

      You come off as an embellishing, attention-seeking drama queen who resorts to hissy fits whenever someone calls you on your bullshit.

      You make idiotic claims like " I saw him in the act of dumping two bodies" which is pure bullshit and then wonder why the police don't bother to contact you. They don't bother to contact you because you sound like a nutbag and you lack credibility. Hitching your wagon to a conspiracy nut like Noel further damages your credibility.

      Might there be an accomplice out there? Sure, why not. Do you have any credible information that will lead to his arrest? No.
      Pot calling kettle black comes to mind re hissy fits Ally, it doesn't matter if you believe or not plenty do and nothing you can say or do will deter me so give up my lovely you wasting your time, not a friend of Toms are you ? or suffolk police possibly ? I
      If you have nothing constructive to say or debate then I will ignore any further posts from you as you seem to be just a blinkered judgemental very angry person who I dont really wish to be associated with, posting with you its like arguing with a tantrum throwing child for heavens sake !... regards jsi

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      • Originally posted by Ally View Post
        Oh my gosh! This poor man! Suspected of multiple homicides and they didn't allow him access to his own clothes and his personal papers and phone numbers! The horror! How could he possibly have prepared a defense without his Ed Hardy t-shirts? Oh if only the criminal justice system had someone to prepare a case for you and argue your innocence on your behalf so that you weren't stuck, naked and defenseless, railroaded by the man in the county pokey.
        you rushed to judgment Ally right from the strart of this thread on page 1 because you are of a mindset that supports police action regardless of right or wrong.
        When the evidence started to fall thick and strong you retreated to your entrenched position and now you are trying to throw the nutcase and conspiracy theory at it. You are the last gasp of defeated twisters, Ally.
        Stefan Kiszko, Judith Ward, Anthony Steel, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Maguire 7 and so many other stitched up innocent people were kept locked up with the aid of twisters like you.
        I've met a lot of decent cops Ally over the years but someone like you I would give a wide berth.
        Cops with your mindset seek to solve particular cases and draw a line under them.

        They go home and draw their salary and a big pension but they dont have to live with the consequences of murder.

        The prosecution stated in court several times that there may be an accomplice. Do you believe they were delusional?

        In fairness they did a great job linking the DNA from 3 victims to Wright, yet you believe that proves he killed them.
        That picture in Stephens flat Ally. Maybe it never existed?
        Maybe all those other witnesses at the trial were misguided and given to exaggeration like John. What say you Ally?
        How about all those cameras Ally, the ones with the hazy pictures?
        You would make a meal of those lads if you were a lawyer at that trial.
        Last edited by noel o'gara; 11-25-2010, 04:46 PM.

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        • Can i ask you Mr Ogara have you actually seen the case files pertaining to this case? I am not totally convinced there isnt an accomplice out there and maybe it is TS but surely to make such an adamant judgement you would need to see all the case files not just newspaper articles.

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          • Originally posted by dannymc View Post
            Can i ask you Mr Ogara have you actually seen the case files pertaining to this case? I am not totally convinced there isnt an accomplice out there and maybe it is TS but surely to make such an adamant judgement you would need to see all the case files not just newspaper articles.
            hi Danny, I read all the vital points in this sad story. I heard on the radio that a prostitute went missing in Ipswich the day after she vanished. I was travelling from Leeds to Dublin at the time. I read all the newspaper reports which highlighted most of the important parts of the case. The case was fully documented on all the local papers and many interesting aspects of it were on the national press and it was given special attention by Sky News.
            one local paper gave a minute by minute account of the full trial verbatim and now its all on that wonderful new world called the internet.

            The arrest of Steve Wright just didnt seem to fit the facts of the story to me.
            Stephens was all over the case and yet walked away exonerated.

            One wondered why he attended the subsequent trial and tried to portray himself as a victim because of his failure to protect the girls.
            I look for hard evidence that connects a suspect to a crime. I saw none that connected Wright with violent crime, murder or the deposition sites. I have much experience of police mistakes and while the vast majority of the public trust the courts to get the correct verdict, I know how those juries can be influenced by experts and DNA blown out of proportion.
            Remember Sally Clark.
            She and Angela Canning, both jailed for murdering thier children, solely on the evidence of expert witness Sir Roy Meadows. Both later released on appeal when his evidence was discredited.


            Colin Stagg, the Judge stopped the case. But he's always been treated as guilty by the press and no doubt had it gone to trial he would have been convicted by a jury keen to see justice for a brutal murder.


            Juries can be led up the garden path and fed so much complex scientific evidence that in the end they are bewildered and become bored and trying hard to look attentive. The DNA was held up as damning proof that he killed them and his lawyer failed to emphasise the true significance of it. Also that was low copy number or low grade DNA and frankly it was not an issue given that Wright admitted that he had a sexual bout with the last four. Stephens was everywhere and had all the credentials to be responsible and was controlling events, he even forced his arrest, while Wright was only a sex case. The jury tend to put their trust in the police and give them the benefit of that doubt fearful that they would release a serial killer to kill again.
            It took some time to put it together and now all the missing links fit into place and there are no loose ends.

            The real killer achieved his goal of setting up Wright for the murder of Tania. He's not a raving lunatic going to kill again but he is a dangerous evil man to vulnerable women who trust him.
            Last edited by noel o'gara; 11-26-2010, 02:08 AM.

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            • Have you ever noticed that whenever the conspiracy nutballs come out to play, and you point out that they are irrational, distorting the truth and flat out lying, suddenly you become part of the conspiracy and are "friends of the police" people who are just blind and judgmental and "unwilling to see the truth"? Whether it's Steve Powell or any other person with a complete lack of credibility, the people who disbelieve them are just all blind.

              They never look at themselves and go gee...the whole world thinks I am nuts, maybe there's something there.

              Noel, have you ever considered that rather than the rest of the world being "supporters of the police" you are just a blind hater? I mean according to you, they NEVER get it right and every serial killer popped is just a rush to judgment by the police to arrest anyone for the publicity.

              I mean never mind the fact that if they were to arrest someone and the killings kept going on and on, they'd look like flat idiots, no, they are just going to arrest any random person, pray to goodness that the killings just magically stop, and what do you know, every time they lock up that completely innocent framed up sap, the killings do in fact stop, because of course serial killers who can't control themselves enough to stop of their own impetus, magically get it together when someone else goes to jail.

              Let all Oz be agreed;
              I need a better class of flying monkeys.

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              • Hi Noel,

                Former Scotland Yard Commander, Roy Ramm, stressed police will not be jumping to conclusions...
                "It's not inconceivable that a number of people will know all these young women, and could know them innocently. So I think the police will be proceeding very cautiously here."

                For the whole piece see:

                BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


                This was in the very early days of the investigation, when they were still holding Stephens. It appears there were doubts from the start that they had their man, which doesn’t sit well with any suggestion that they were ready to stitch up the first oddball who knew the victims and behaved suspiciously.

                And why would the authorities have gone totally against the advice and allowed themselves to be beguiled when they learned that Wright was a second example? With two strong suspects to eliminate, the police would have been acutely aware of the need to proceed even more cautiously, since one or both could have known the victims ‘innocently’, but one or both could equally have been as guilty as sin.

                Originally posted by noel o'gara View Post
                He took her to a quiet place on the pretense of having sex and after giving her a drug fix and getting her to strip off completely he got her into a stranglehold knowing that she had Wright's DNA all over her...
                I’m struggling with the suggestion that your suspect deliberately destroyed any forensic evidence that would otherwise have incriminated him, while knowingly leaving Wright’s DNA all over one of the victims. How does that work? And if it did work, how is anyone meant to know it ever happened, never mind prove it? Take your word for it? Only a full and credible confession, detailing the disposal of the bodies, would surely be enough to take any of this seriously.

                Originally posted by noel o'gara View Post
                Wright was just a sex case who was set up by the killer who fooled the police. Imagine the embarrassment if they had to release him and rearrest the other guy. Also they didnt know what I am now telling you and how the murders progressed and perhaps they still dont know. It took me some months to figure out what happened and that was after the trial but I didnt think Wright was the killer from the start.
                But the police are not psychic, so if you think they may not actually know what took you ‘some months to figure out’, and if you think it’s based on sound enough evidence for a successful prosecution, what was stopping you from keeping them fully informed? You are effectively telling us that you fear more women could go missing, while you withhold the information the police may be lacking? Are you serious?

                Originally posted by jsi2010 View Post
                May I just ask you why it is you find it so hard to believe there is an accomplice when all along the police have said they may well be one ? It was also said in court they may well be one !
                In that case, jsi, it rather sods up the claim that the police could not arrest Stephens again for fear of losing face at having to admit they let a dangerous man go. If they have conceded ‘all along’ that a second man could well have been involved, how could they possibly lose face by managing to gather the evidence needed to charge the swine and make it stick this time? Far more face to lose by not doing so and waiting until he offends again. Wright’s conviction would not be rendered unsafe either in those circumstances, so it would be a win-win situation.

                What did you make of Noel’s public admission that the police may be lacking information currently in his possession that would have enabled them to press such charges and take this man out of circulation?

                Originally posted by noel o'gara View Post
                Stephens was everywhere and had all the credentials to be responsible and was controlling events, he even forced his arrest...

                ...The real killer achieved his goal of setting up Wright for the murder of Tania. He's not a raving lunatic going to kill again but he is a dangerous evil man to vulnerable women who trust him.
                Blimey, it's Alphon and Hanratty all over again.

                Just like Stephens, Alphon was careful not to leave any forensic evidence, while Hanratty - with his DNA on the victim's underwear and the hanky used to wrap the murder weapon - was set up, just like Wright. So if Stephens never kills in the future, just like Alphon never killed after Hanratty's conviction, it will be because they were dangerous and evil but not completely stupid.

                It seems that amateur detectives on internet message boards are so keen to see miscarriages of justice everywhere that they are prepared to add more of their own creation. Alphon and Stephens have both been presumed guilty here without so much as a charge, never mind a trial by jury. One is now dead and can't defend himself, but neither should have had to do so. At least Hanratty and Wright were given their day in court; their chance to conjure up the merest speck of reasonable doubt in the jurors' minds. How does that compare with what you are seeking to do here - to condemn a man publicly and without trial on the basis of what you thought you could 'figure out' for yourself? The irony is that the professionals you accuse could simply not get away with distorting justice in the way you are doing, and with such arrogance and unashamed hypocrisy.

                Love,

                Caz
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                Last edited by caz; 11-26-2010, 07:25 PM.
                "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                • Now Caz,
                  Nobody has yet suggested that either Alphon or Hanratty was a serial kiler which is what Wright has been found guilty of being!
                  Best,
                  Norma

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                  • Originally posted by caz View Post
                    In that case, jsi, it rather sods up the claim that the police could not arrest Stephens again for fear of losing face at having to admit they let a dangerous man go. If they have conceded ‘all along’ that a second man could well have been involved, how could they possibly lose face by managing to gather the evidence needed to charge the swine and make it stick this time? Far more face to lose by not doing so and waiting until he offends again. Wright’s conviction would not be rendered unsafe either in those circumstances, so it would be a win-win situation.

                    What did you make of Noel’s public admission that the police may be lacking information currently in his possession that would have enabled them to press such charges and take this man out of circulation?



                    Blimey, it's It seems that amateur detectives on internet message boards are so keen to see miscarriages of justice everywhere that they are prepared to add more of their own creation. Alphon and Stephens have both been presumed guilty here without so much as a charge, never mind a trial by jury. One is now dead and can't defend himself, but neither should have had to do so. At least Hanratty and Wright were given their day in court; their chance to conjure up the merest speck of reasonable doubt in the jurors' minds. How does that compare with what you are seeking to do here - to condemn a man publicly and without trial on the basis of what you thought you could 'figure out' for yourself? The irony is that the professionals you accuse could simply not get away with distorting justice in the way you are doing, and with such arrogance and unashamed hypocrisy.

                    Love,

                    Caz
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                    To everyone. all I have ever said is that I saw Tom Stephens at the exact and I mean EXACT spot where Paula was found while he had something large covered up on the back seat of his car and he was acting in a strange manner and that I saw what I assumed at the time to be a manequinn at the exact and I mean EXACT spot where Anette was found at 1.50pm on monday 11th December and that I have reported it many times and never been contacted not once.
                    All I say is that Noel has some very interesting points to raise and that everyone I have personally spoken to about this has expressed a doubt. Those are facts not theory not space dust but pure full blown FACTS and I WILL KEEP REPEATING THEM TO ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN AND WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONFRONT TOM STEPHENS WHEN I CATCH UP WITH HIM. I WILL NOT GIVE UP BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I PERSONALLY SAW AND NEITHER YOU OR ANYONE WILL EVER CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE, SO PICK AWAY ALL YOU LIKE MY DEARS THE TRUTH NEVER CHANGES.
                    Proving it ? Have not got a clue to be honest but everything has a start and an end and I am just doing what any decent human being would do and certainly do not have to justify myself to anyone. Tom Stephens is guilty as the devil I know it and he knows it and I will continue to pursue what I know to be true, period. So call me all the names and try to discredit me all you wish.
                    The conspiricy theory I have not a clue and dont really care about Steve Wright let him rot for all I care,he is nothing to me never was never will be.
                    ....Regards jsi

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                    • [QUOTE=jsi2010;156167]To everyone. all I have ever said is that I saw Tom Stephens at the exact and I mean EXACT spot where Paula was found

                      There is also a second possible witness that may of been able to see the Renault clio at the same time as myself who turned around in the road ahead of me. He could also obviously potentialy place my vehicle at the location at the time I state.
                      It was a maroon or reddish coloured 1800 series volvo with a sun roof and private registration plate that I am fairly certain contained the letters E H D and (2 or 3) what looked like
                      1'S l's or could of meant to be I's there seemed to be 2 letters then 5 letters
                      The driver was male possibly asian i'd educate a guess aged between 30/45 wearing a light coloured shirt possiby wearing a tie and had the sleeves slightly rolled up, he had short dark hair slightly longer on top wavy or curly.
                      we were in tandom on the road from mid way across the Orwell Bridge on the A14, exited at junction 57 onto the A1189 exiting the warren heath sainsburys roundabout at the 3rd exit onto the A1156 where a light blue Lada with a white roof driven by a elderly male with elderly female front seat passenger joined the convoy passing the police road block at Nacton Crossroads where a policeman or woman stood. Then the lada continued to Seven Hills with myself and the Volvo turning onto the (OLD) Felixstowe Road as it is known locally, where the 1800 series Volvo turned in the road in headed back in the opposite direction.
                      I had to slow down to allow the Volvo to turn in the road and was travelling relatively slowly as I passed Stephens as anyone who has ever driven an older Toyota People Carrier will know very well that they lack any kind of acceleration worth talking of lol, so was able to get a good lenghty view also being in a higher than normal driving height aided the field of vision.
                      I have to live with myself knowing what I saw and that if I had of stopped that day, Stephens would of been caught in the act so no matter who or what tries to discredit and/or deter me, forget it your wasting your time I will never give up trying to prove this if it takes till my dying day...... Regards jsi

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                      • John

                        I have no axe to grind here. I have no interest in passing judgement. I am not connected to, or with, the Ipswich case, and have no vested interest in it whatever.

                        Now. If you are sincere, and truly consider that you are correct in stating what you believe you saw; you should not have to deal with it alone. I understand that you may feel frustrated - desperate even; and wish for others to know of what you witnessed. I personally do not think a public message board is the place for it. I will say why.

                        Whereas there are those watching these boards who may choose to believe you, and, equally, those who do not; and some may additionally choose to comment - as I am doing now: it is doubtful that anyone watching will be able to help you in your quest for justice.

                        There are people who can help you, and things you can do if you are serious in pursuing this. If you truly are a witness as you state, then perhaps you might consider that you have a moral duty to do so.

                        Get some advice. Go to your local CAB and ask them. They are obliged to offer you free advice. You can also walk into any company of solicitors in this country and ask for free advice. So long as you state that you are asking for free advice as soon as you walk through the door; you have an entitlement to 30 minutes of free legal advice. Everyone does - although it is not widely publicised. It is your right in law. It may help you.

                        This is a better way to proceed. At least you may actually make some progress in this way. Good Luck.

                        Best wishes

                        Sally
                        Last edited by Sally; 11-27-2010, 05:47 PM.

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                        • Did Steve Wright get a fair trial in Ipswich

                          Alternatively I beleive the girls attended a local clinic for drug addicts maybe go see these people. I have had dealings with thesae type of people before on aq personal level and you will find them very helpful. Im sure you will be able to find which clinic it was with a little bit of research.

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                          • Originally posted by noel o'gara View Post
                            Gemma and Tania's bodies were lying in the stream for about two weeks while the killer waited and waited for the news blast that two bodies were found. His plan was that Wright would be targetted as the last man who was with Gemma and also Tania. Bear in mind that Stephens was the main suspect for Tania's disappearance at that stage.
                            Heavy rain upset his plans and the bodies were washed a mile apart and not easily visible in the swollen stream. Two weeks blurred memories and now Wright might not be so easily associated with Gemma.
                            Then on Saturday 2nd december Gemma's body was found at last. The killer expected an instant intense double murder investigation that would have unearthed the main suspect Steve Wright.
                            What happened was a low profile playing down of events by police.
                            This is the report on 3rd Sunday.

                            Local news headlines for Suffolk and Essex, and the surrounding East Anglia areas from the East Anglian Daily Times.


                            The killer's plan was not working out and this triggered a step further.
                            So in the early hours of that Sunday morning while he sat in his car with the fall guy's house in London Road in his sight he saw Anneli Alderton emerge from it and waited for her to approach his car. This streetwise prostitute who was uptight because of all the talk about two missing prostitutes was happy to enter into her friend honest Tom's safe haven.
                            He took her to a quiet place on the pretense of having sex and after giving her a drug fix and getting her to strip off completely he got her into a stranglehold knowing that she had Wright's DNA all over her and that she had left her DNA in his house. Then he drove to the Nacton road and stopped outside Amblefield school and carried her dead body into the undergrowth and laid it out as you know. Her body wasnt found until the 10th and I cant say if he dumped it the night he killed her or a few days later but that would be very risky keeping it in his car. Remember that this guy was an ex cop and he knew how they work and wouldnt panic like an ordinary person who is approached by a policeman. Also he had experience of this with Tania's body.
                            His plan was to clearly link the victims together. Prostitutes. Naked. Jewellery left on. Strangled. No sex assault. Clearly the motive was to link Tania to all the subsequent killings with Wright tied to them all as their last customer.
                            He picked up Annette right after her sex session with Wright a few days later.
                            He picked up Paula in the same way in the next few days just as she exited from Wright's house.

                            Even after the fifth body was found and everybody in England knew that there was a serial killer at large in Ipswich, the local police still had not conceded that they were all linked and that there was a serial killer at large.

                            Local news headlines for Suffolk and Essex, and the surrounding East Anglia areas from the East Anglian Daily Times.


                            Does that help to explain how the killer was forcing their hand?

                            I can see that some are still having difficulty in coming to terms with reality and evidence and find more comfort in accepting the official position with all its flaws and inferences. OK lets take it a step further and look at it from the killer's position.

                            The killer, lets call him honest Tom, was motivated by his need to solve the murder of his nearest and dearest, lovable little Tania whom he had under his control and to whom he was supplying hard drugs while getting free f'''s and enjoying the excitement of his pimping life. Experience in the police gave him great confidence in that regard.
                            And so Gemma, his best friend was roped into his plan to get out of being the main suspect for Tania's murder but that plan was unravelling due to the rain that swelled the brook and kept both bodies hidden for weeks.
                            When Gemma's body was found on 2nd Dec, honest Tom knew that things were not going according to plan so that night or rather in the early hours of the next morning while he was parked up in his hatchback looking down London Road at the house of his patsy Steve Wright, lo and behold who emerged from it only his pal, Anneli Alderton. He was in a hyper mood expecting that Tania's body would be discovered the next day and when Anneli sat into his car for a break and perhaps a drug deal he grabbed this oppertunity to ensure that his plan would link Wright to Tania. Knowing that she had sex in his house, honest Tom took her to a quiet spot and did the business on her.
                            It is uncertain whether he dumped the body that night or a few days later.
                            This killer was in a state of high emotion and hyper but controlled.
                            Tania still hadnt been found and he was sitting in his car all through those nights well into the early hours listening to radio reports of events.
                            Anneli was not reported missing.
                            He observed police activity and police divers in wet suits who were combing the river and he was expecting that breakthrough every minute of every hour.
                            Two days after Anneli, oppertunity struck again when another of his girlfriends emerged from Wright's London Road house and this time the unfortunate drug addict Annette Nicholls stepped into a killer's car.
                            He did the business on her also and again it is not clear if he dumped the body that night or a few days later in daylight.

                            Tension was rising as two more days went by and Tania still hadnt been found.
                            Linking Tania with the other murdered prostitutes was the main motivation.
                            He knew that he was the number one suspect in the Tania Nicol case only.
                            The killer would have been unaware of the massive effect his abductions were having at a national level due to the broadcast media. He might not be reading the newspapers outside of his own local paper and radio reports as he sat it out in his car in the red light area.
                            He may have been unaware of the huge international television coverage of events as they unfolded.
                            He could see that the river was not a good idea so something more radical was needed to link the killings to Wright.
                            Finally on 8th December Tania was found and then everything moved into overdrive.
                            The next night while carrying on trying to appear normal, honest Tom was observing the police activity down London Road when another friend of his, drug addict Paula Clennell emerged from the safety of Steve Wright's house only to be called into the car of a killer whom she would trust with her life. She was only a few doors from her own home but the killer was becoming increasingly hyper because the other two victims Anneli and Annette hadnt even been reported missing yet and he was still the main suspect for Tania's disappearance and now suddenly with the finding of the body, it had escalated into a murder investigation with him at the centre of it.
                            And so in one of those surreal moments this killer decided to make Paula another marker to ensure that Wright would be connected to Tania and the others.
                            When exactly he dumped the last three bodies is unclear but what is clear is that this killer took centre stage from this point in trying to ensure that all five strangled prostitute victims were killed by the same hands.
                            He posted a card at a shrine where he often parked and where the girls used to stand with the words, Tania Gemma Netti Paula Anni, I knew some of you better than others but I miss you all, Love Tom.This was part of his motivation to link all five murders to one killer. The killer alone knew that Wright had sex with the last four just before he killed them.

                            Then he courted the media and the main idea of those interviews he volunteered was to link the killings to one killer and pretend he had failed to protect them.
                            The police on the other hand were reluctant to link the killings at that stage.
                            Honest Tom was driving events.
                            Bear in mind that it was more than six weeks since honest Tom strangled his nearest and dearest in that fit of rage and her body lay somewhere in that river waiting to be found. Every new dawn might bring that discovery.
                            Since that day he had strangled three other prostitutes in the hope that when Tania was found her murder would be linked to them and they were all linked to the patsy Steve Wright.
                            Tania was found on 8th December and then the police didnt even link her murder with Gemma.
                            So his overdrive pushed him into the bizarre by posing his last three victims in a unique posture to ensure that they were linked to the one killer. He didnt have enough time to pose Paula who seemed to have been hurriedly dumped just off the road because he was disturbed probably by John or police activity nearby.
                            The police activity in the red light district got so intense after the 12th that he probably knew he was under observation then. So he became active in his engagements with other prostitutes as a pseudo protector and police helper to catch the killer. Then his behaviour became so alarming that the police arrested him on suspicion of the murders on 16th but they were unsure of their evidence and didnt do it in a blaze of publicity. In the next two days their resolve strengthened and they organised a media assisted full blown arrest at his home in Trimley until he turned the tables on them and you know the rest of it.
                            I hope that helps you Caz.

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                            • Originally posted by noel o'gara View Post
                              I hope that helps you Caz.
                              Well thanks, Noel, but I'm the last person around here who needs help.

                              Love,

                              Caz
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                              "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                              • Originally posted by caz View Post
                                Hi Noel,

                                With two strong suspects to eliminate, the police would have been acutely aware of the need to proceed even more cautiously, since one or both could have known the victims ‘innocently’, but one or both could equally have been as guilty as sin.



                                I’m struggling with the suggestion that your suspect deliberately destroyed any forensic evidence that would otherwise have incriminated him, while knowingly leaving Wright’s DNA all over one of the victims. How does that work? And if it did work, how is anyone meant to know it ever happened, never mind prove it? Take your word for it? Only a full and credible confession, detailing the disposal of the bodies, would surely be enough to take any of this seriously.



                                It seems that amateur detectives on internet message boards are so keen to see miscarriages of justice everywhere that they are prepared to add more of their own creation.

                                Caz
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                                You have the police dilemma there Caz. Two strong suspects, only one killer. Honest Tom had already ensured that there was an odds on chance that Tania would be linked to the other four killings by upping the numbers. The escalation in numbers was done to muddy the waters on her case so as to slip it in with the other four.
                                Honest Tom had Wright in the gun for those four and he helped the police to prove that Wright had them in the order and on the night they were last seen.
                                Next day when the DNA confirmed it, Wright was charged and Tom was released. After that they started to study the real evidence to build the case against Wright and they were grasping at straws and relying on DNA which only proved he had sex with them as he stated. They found microscopic traces of blood and a fibre from his car in Tania's hair.
                                Wright, a serial sex addict with no record of violence knew all the victims as an innocent customer.
                                Honest Tom, an ex cop with a record of violence against women knew them as lovers, girlfriends, drug customers, vulnerable girls. He had no alibi. He set up a false alibi on one occasion. His DNA was on all five victims. He was the number one suspect for the murders, was twice arrested until he diverted the police over to Wright.

                                Do you know of any murder case where the police made a mistake and had to reverse that?

                                You say you were struggling with the evidence.
                                Caz. the facts are that the killer dumped Tania and Gemma naked in the river to destroy all forensic evidence.

                                Wright took subsequent victims into his house, kept his yellow jacket and semen stained gloves, car mats etc etc. He only hid evidence of sex from his wife.
                                The killer dumped the next three victims naked for a reason. To hide fibre evidence connected to his car or person or house, that would be on their clothes.
                                Honest Tom was able to brag on newspapers that his DNA was on all five girls while Wright was charged with murder when the police proved his DNA was on three victims. Why are you not struggling with that?

                                You are the amatuer detective Caz and this is the first time I put my story on casebook. That was done because I thought you guys should have a better grasp of crime stories than the ordinary man in the street.
                                I have put the facts together in this case having lived in the shadow of the real Yorkshire Ripper for thirty odd years. Seems like some of you are more comfortable studying the Victorian ripper in the safety of your armchairs. Real killers are out there also today Caz and it is a common reaction of all victims of crime that they just cant believe it is happening to them at the time.

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