Did Steve Wright get a fair trial in Ipswich?

[jsi2010]

Er? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else? Or somebody else's comments with mine?

Read back and see if you really do mean me. If you do then O.K. I can't stop you writing what you want on the boards, but for the record, I don't remember saying anything to or about you on this thread?

Regards,

Yes you are correct my appologies

[Tecs]

Yes you are correct my appologies

Apology accepted.


Regards,

[noel o'gara]

Hi jsi2010
The two most disturbing facts are that the police were only put upon Wright's trail after Stephens (a former copper himself) had given them the lead (which places Stephens also in the vacinity of the girls working area); and that the CCTV only showed Wright in the areas the girls worked....no witnesses of Wright in the vacinity of where they died.

Derrick

This is an extract from the court record that you the jury should be aware of.

14:12 The trial has resumed. The defence indicates it will read some written statements to the jury.

14:16 The defence read out a statement from a woman known as Miss L.

14:17 The court hears that in 2004 she had an affair with a man called Tom Stephens.

"14:18 At this stage Mr Stephens was “polite” and “never scary”, the court heard."

14:18 She said she met him through a lonely hearts column in a newspaper and that they met up for sex on five occasions.

"14:19 On one occasion he suggested they use “a safe word” during sex because he wanted to hold her down, Miss L said in her statement."

14:20 She said Mr Stephens pinned her down with hands on her shoulders and across her neck.

"14:20 She said she refused to do this but on a couple of occasions he did over power her and this made her feel uncomfortable, the court heard."

"14:21 In August 2005 Miss L borrowed ?500 from Mr Stephens to pay a debt related to council tax, the court heard."

"14:21 She said in her statement that he described this as a “friendly” loan."

14:22 In late August 2004 she decided to call off the relationship and Mr Stephens told her he would wipe out the loan if she slept with him one more time.

14:23 In February 2005 Miss L moved in with a friend - Miss M.

14:24 At Easter 2005 Mr Stephens drove across the country to Miss M's home to visit Miss L.

"14:24 Mr Stephens made several calls to this address and told Miss M he was “pursuing a debt and had stalkers rights,” the court heard."

"14:25 In April 2005 he told Miss M that he was “going to kill both women,” the court heard."

14:25 Miss L reported the matter to the police and changed telephone numbers.

14:26 Court adjourns for today.

14:26 Mr Stephens was given a harassment order and the women have not seen him since the summer of 2005.

14:27 It will continue tomorrow when the jury is expected to hear more evidence from the defence.

[Derrick]

This is an extract from the court record that you the jury should be aware of......

Hi Noel
Where did you get the court record from? Was it just an extract from a newspaper or is it fully available online or what?
I would like to see the full court transcript for sure.
Derrick

[Derrick]

Dear JSI2010
I know for certain that Sandra Lean is interested in the Kevin Nunn case which is frighteningly similar to the Ipswich murders. I would approach her in the first instance.
Derrick

[noel o'gara]

Hi Noel
Where did you get the court record from? Was it just an extract from a newspaper or is it fully available online or what?
I would like to see the full court transcript for sure.
Derrick

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/tom_stephens_threatened_to_kill_two_women_1_186904

The wrong man was in the dock. The police and the CPS can never admit a mistake. Thats why Wright was denied an appeal.

As for the other case you refer to why not contact that lady yourself. I have my hands full with the Ripper and this.

[Trevor Marriott]

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/to...women_1_186904

The wrong man was in the dock. The police and the CPS can never admit a mistake. Thats why Wright was denied an appeal.

As for the other case you refer to why not contact that lady yourself. I have my hands full with the Ripper and this.

The wrong man was not in the dock the forensic evidence was overwhelming and all the other circumstantial evidence gathered. he had every opportunity during the many interviews to dispute the evidence and to give an account or explanation. He chose to remain silent. Now either that was on bad legal advice or he had no explantion to give.

If it was bad advice he had the opportunity to raise that issue at his trial, and then to give his account without the court or jury drawing an adverse inference for his silence. Did he do that, no he didnt.

So far you have done a lot of huffing and puffing but come up with nothing tangible.

Wright was denied an appeal because there were no grounds for an appeal there was no mistake by the police or the CPS.

If you are so sure about this how come his legal team did not put it before the appeal court, perhaps they did and the judges disregarded it.

Perhaps you should obtain a transcript of the application for leave to appeal.

It would also seem that the women referred to in the newspaper report were not protitutes and any threats to kill were made during domestic uphevals. This occurs in most saturday night domestics between husband and wife nowadays where threats to kill are uttered.

[noel o'gara]

The wrong man was not in the dock the forensic evidence was overwhelming and all the other circumstantial evidence gathered. he had every opportunity during the many interviews to dispute the evidence and to give an account or explanation. He chose to remain silent. Now either that was on bad legal advice or he had no explantion to give.

If it was bad advice he had the opportunity to raise that issue at his trial, and then to give his account without the court or jury drawing an adverse inference for his silence. Did he do that, no he didnt.

So far you have done a lot of huffing and puffing but come up with nothing tangible.

Wright was denied an appeal because there were no grounds for an appeal there was no mistake by the police or the CPS.

If you are so sure about this how come his legal team did not put it before the appeal court, perhaps they did and the judges disregarded it.

Perhaps you should obtain a transcript of the application for leave to appeal.

It would also seem that the women referred to in the newspaper report were not protitutes and any threats to kill were made during domestic uphevals. This occurs in most saturday night domestics between husband and wife nowadays where threats to kill are uttered.

Sure Trevor, the forensic evidence was overwhelming in proving that Wright had sex with four victims and the fifth Tania was in his car as he admitted.
What could he say extra. Did you want a full account of his sexual activity?
He dropped each victim back and later they were each picked up by a killer and he was unaware that he was being stalked.

In your earlier contribution I gave you facts on how Wright's appeal was perverted and obstructed by the judges of the appeal court but those facts went right over your head. Trevor, you wouldnt see evidence if it hit you in the mouth because you dont want to see it.
Wright's legal adviser was in court waiting to meet him but he didnt show, he was kept locked up while those judges violated his rights, his freedom and his life, not to mention the lives of other innocent women who will become victims of the real killer whom they are shielding.
The policemen who nailed the Birmingham 6 and others still believe they got the right men. You fall into that category and thank God this forum is open to the public.
Your dismissal of the threats to kill so lightly didnt go down with the two ladies. They felt so threatened that they went to the police and court over it.
Waken up Trevor and smell the coffee.

[jsi2010]

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Hi jsi2010
I can only give you the benefit of any doubt and trust that you are sincere in what you have posted here. If you have witnessed Tom Stephens dumping the body of two of Steve Wrights supposed victims then I suggest you contact a reputable journalist such as Bob Woffinden or Sandra Lean or the head of the Innocence UK organisation Dr Michael Naughton at Bristol University.
I have questioned Noel's integrity only with regard to his and Cullinanes actions during their supposed defence of Ronald Castree.
I do not doubt that Noel has highlighted some very disturbing facts in the Ipswich murders and agree that much of the evidence against Wright can easily be explained by Wrights own admissions which would be expected if he picked up girls purely for sex. The two most disturbing facts are that the police were only put upon Wright's trail after Stephens (a former copper himself) had given them the lead (which places Stephens also in the vacinity of the girls working area); and that the CCTV only showed Wright in the areas the girls worked....no witnesses of Wright in the vacinity of where they died.

Derrick

Hi Derrick and thank you for your suggestions of further contacts, I shall be following them up. Be assured that I am indeed absoloutely sincere, infact I can say most definately that I have never been so sure in my life that I am and have to do this colossal thing I have to do. The possible consequences of not doing so, are unbearable for a man to weigh on his concience.
With regard to Noel, I contacted him first and have found him nothing but most sincere in his actions and motives and his support in this matter has been priceless, though I am not interested in past matters that do not concern me.
I do not suffer fools gladly and am certainly my own man in all matters, all he has done is to show me factual written evidence, newspaper reports and a theory along with highlighting some intriguing and very key points that make one ask oneself some interesting questions and provoke further analysis. Upon doing this I feel more leaning towards Steve Wright being innocent than just having an accomplice !
I did see as I have previous said, the remaining task is to get the man in question locked away where he needs to be before he acts again, this is no joke no prank this is literally DEADLY serious.
All the positive constructive help I can get the better
god bless all

[jsi2010]

Hi Noel
Where did you get the court record from? Was it just an extract from a newspaper or is it fully available online or what?
I would like to see the full court transcript for sure.
Derrick

Will get back to you on that asap

[jsi2010]

Tecs,

Thats how I see it,

but I happen to think they got it right in the end and that they did very well.

Best

They missed a man who disposed of two bodies on 11th December 2006 and he is still walking around free to act again at a moments notice I just pray he doesn't

[jsi2010]

Hi Noel
Where did you get the court record from? Was it just an extract from a newspaper or is it fully available online or what?
I would like to see the full court transcript for sure.
Derrick

There is a live coverage of the court proceedings in the EVENING STAR newspaper

[noel o'gara]

There was no mention of where some of the women were killed so they could actually have been walked to the scene of their discovery, albeit in a drugged state

I don't think it would be difficult to carry the women single handed anyway

I thought the premise was that all the murders were done to cover up the initial killing and frame Wright

With mission accomplished, why would there be any immediate danger to other women in Ipswich?

In framing Wright, why would the real killer arrange the two women in the same fashion as a painting on his wall, drawing possible suspicion upon himself?

Same deal with the "incriminating" note left in memory of one of the women

How then Nemo, do you explain the fact that there were a few sightings of Tania, after 11.00 pm the time she was spotted being picked up by the dark Ford Mondeo? Tania was the first victim to be strangled in a fit of rage, the next victim Gemma, was strangled in a bid by the killer to slip off the hook for that.

I say that Wright dropped Tania as he stated and drove away.
She was seen soliciting for business much after 11.00 pm and no doubt under observation by her boyfriend.


Also remember the lady witness on the bus who saw the Ford Mondeo and the Renault Clio a few hundred yards farther up the road?

This is corroborating evidence supporting my analysis that Wright was being stalked by a man in a Renault Clio.

But some of you lads dont want to take evidence on board that demolishes your faith in the judicial system. Meanwhile an innocent man is serving life and a killer is walking the streets of Ipswich while the cops dont want to know about that.

[jsi2010]

I wrote to Steve Wright recently then was told the prison had lost the special delivery letter so have sent a copy and a letter to the govenor of Longlartin prison and oddly enough no reply !
Are people so bent on just having a culprit that any culprit will do ! that justice doesn't matter anymore ?
Tom Stephens is a very dangerous guy who is deeply involved in the Ipswich murders ! Does no one give a care in the world or is retaining image and saving face everything these days ?
I am deeply deeply worried that our legal system and the people who run it seriously do not give a hoot about justice, its all about ticking that box collecting the wages going through the motions and pandering to the media and never mind us the public.....thanks guys and GOD HELP US !

[noel o'gara]

I wrote to Steve Wright recently then was told the prison had lost the special delivery letter so have sent a copy and a letter to the govenor of Longlartin prison and oddly enough no reply !
Are people so bent on just having a culprit that any culprit will do ! that justice doesn't matter anymore ?
Tom Stephens is a very dangerous guy who is deeply involved in the Ipswich murders ! Does no one give a care in the world or is retaining image and saving face everything these days ?
I am deeply deeply worried that our legal system and the people who run it seriously do not give a hoot about justice, its all about ticking that box collecting the wages going through the motions and pandering to the media and never mind us the public.....thanks guys and GOD HELP US !

The investigation started to go wrong when two lawyers from the CPS got involved in the hunt for the killer, effectively taking it from the hands of the more streetwise police. Michael Crimp and Robert Sadd were two dyed in the wool lawyers who suddently became cops and perhaps they swung the balance of suspicion from Stephens to Wright once the scientists confirmed that they found low copy number traces of Wright's DNA on some of the victims. Immediately he was arrested Wright was swabbed for a DNA sample and initially he denied all knowledge of the murdered victims.
It must be borne in mind that Wright couldnt have known that each victim was murdered just after he has sex with them because the bodies were found days and weeks after he had that experience and some were not reported missing for days after they disappeared.
Therefore it must have come as something of a shock to him to find that he had sex with the last four victims on the last day of their lives. Wouldnt any man try to wriggle out of that one? Not only was he the last man to have sex with all four on that last day of their lives but he was the very last man to go with each one of them on that last day as evidenced by some cameras.
He knew Tania and had decided not to have sex with her after a close up chat in his car with her. Perhaps it was her spots or even her age that stopped him but she was seen by a few other witnesses after that encounter.
Eventually, after the DNA match was confirmed by the scientists who had gone into overdrive to find a match with Wright's DNA, Wright was forced the next day to admit that he had been with them all and of course lawyers Sadd and Crimp were in on those vital interrogations after his arrest. They immediately jumped to the conclusion that Wright was the killer when he was confronted with the evidence of DNA and he confessed that he had lied and had each victim in his car for sex on those last days of their lives. So they had DNA and some camera confirmations and now his admission.
He was a broken man at that stage and shown as a liar and in the next few hours those legal experts swayed the assembly that they had their killer and the inexperienced cop Stewart Gull fell in behind these legal experts who represented the Home Office and were their bosses.
Sadd was in court the next morning to commence the process.

'Mr Sadd told magistrates: "The Crown's case is very significant scientific evidence linking the defendant to these murders. This is not the time to rehearse that."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-424425/Suffolk-Strangler-suspect-driven-court-face-murder-charges.html

I cant think of any other precedent where the CPS lawyers effectively took control of a major murder enquiry but in this case they screwed it up by jumping to the wrong conclusion. They should have left it to the cops.

When the verdict was later brought in, Michael Crimp ran out to the assembled media and was at pains to emphasise how it was the DNA found on the victims that was first identified by scientists working round the clock and then matched on the national DNA database and he said that this was how it came about that Wright was targetted and arrested. He was of course protecting his source of intelligence, Tom Stephens.