Bradford serial killer

[Zodiac]

RIP Suzanne.

My thoughts and deepest sympathy to your family and loved ones.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bradford-west-yorkshire-10922980

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/10/mourners-tribute-bradford-woman

Zodiac.

[Zodiac]

RIP Shelley.

My deepest sympathies to your family and friends.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Prayers-and-poems-at-murdered.6456791.jp

Zodiac.

[Zodiac]

On a visit to Southwark a few weeks ago now I came across this card tied to the gates of 'Crossbones', an unconsecrated medieval burial ground which has in recent years come to stand as a kind of ad-hoc shrine to various victims of murder, neglect or other such 'unfortunate' (for want of a better word!) deaths. The graveyard is in Redcross Way, formerly Red Lion street, one time residence of a certain John McCarthy.

Hi Trever,

Thanks for posting the photo, I had no idea that such a place existed. It goes to show that there are still some people left in this world who give a damn. RIP Suzanne, Shelley and Susan.

Thanks again.

Best Wishes,

Zodiac.

[tnb]

On a visit to Southwark a few weeks ago now I came across this card tied to the gates of 'Crossbones', an unconsecrated medieval burial ground which has in recent years come to stand as a kind of ad-hoc shrine to various victims of murder, neglect or other such 'unfortunate' (for want of a better word!) deaths. The graveyard is in Redcross Way, formerly Red Lion street, one time residence of a certain John McCarthy.

[Zodiac]

Bradford Murders Inquest

Hello again all,

The inquest into the deaths of Suzanne Blamires and Shelley Marie Armitage is now underway. As of yet there is still no trace of Susan Rushworth. It has been confirmed that Suzanne was killed by a serious head injury inflicted by a bolt from a crossbow. Shelley was able to be positively indentified from a small piece of human tissue belonging to her. Det Supt Sukhbir Singh told the inquest that a small part of her spine had been found in the same stretch of river where the remains of Ms Blamires were discovered. Mr Singh said, "She would not have been alive with this piece of spine missing from her body."

The coroner Mr Whittaker told Det Supt Singh that he was anxious to be informed if detectives found the remains of Ms Rushworth. If her remains were not recovered he said he would apply to the Home Office to open an inquest without a body. Mr Whittaker released the remains of Ms Blamires and Ms Armitage to their families for their funerals. RIP.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8302301.Suzanne__killed_by_bolt_from_crossbow___inquest_told/

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8297942.Inquests_into_the_deaths_of_prostitutes_are_set_to_be_opened/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bradford-west-yorkshire-10801054

Best Wishes,

Zodiac.

[Zodiac]

Hi Zodiac. I hadn't heard that information before, thanks for sharing it.

Having a serial killer living upstairs from him must have been a "thrilling" and unfortunately influential experience for Griffiths. It would seem that by murdering a woman in his own flat he was emulating the previous killer.

Apparently sick minds think alike.

Best regards,
Archaic

Hi Archaic,

Yes, I totally agree with you. Oh and thanks for the reply by the way. I've been carrying this info around with me and I just had to let it out, tell someone about it etc. Turns out that chummy went to the same Uni as me, Leeds!!! Thankfully he graduated the year before I started and he majored in Psychology, I majored in History (and drinking!!!) but I did take Psychology as my elective!!! so you can see why I was more than a touch worried when I heard that he was a Leeds Alumnus!!!

All the best,

Zodiac.

[Archaic]

Hi Zodiac. I hadn't heard that information before, thanks for sharing it.

Having a serial killer living upstairs from him must have been a "thrilling" and unfortunately influential experience for Griffiths. It would seem that by murdering a woman in his own flat he was emulating the previous killer.

Apparently sick minds think alike.

Best regards,
Archaic

[Zodiac]

Deja Vu.

Regarding the Stephen Griffiths case in Bradford.
Hello to everyone,

As you can see, Im not exactly a regular poster here!!! But I do drop by alot more often than I post.

I have held back on mentioning this information on any forum until now, but as I now see that a quick search of the net will reveal the same information to anyone, I will post it here. Sorry, but I feel I kinda have to get it off my chest, say it/type, it as were. As I say, a net search search showed me that this info is already in the public domain, so apologies if it is already old news to you.

I live in Leeds, born and bred. The "Yorkshire Ripper" cast a shadow over my childhood, as it did for many of my generation. Back in the late 80'/90's there were a number of murders of prostitutes and (in the awful and sexist language of all too recent past, that now seems like another era, "Good time girls"). Kenneth Valentine was convicted of the "manslaughter" of one of them, her name was Janet Willoughby. Some of the other girls drank in the same pubs/bars as Janet, they knew each other/mixed in the same circles etc, I always felt that Valentine got away with alot more than he was charged with. He was cleared of Janets murder, but found guilty of sexually assaulting her and her manslaughter. He got 7 years!!! He was out in 5!!!

He then moved to Bradford, he got a flat in the converted "Soho Mills". In October 1996 he killed 25 year old Bradford prostitute Caroline Creevy in his flat. His neighbour, living in one of the flats below him was none other than Stephen Griffiths!!! In 1998 Valentine was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 22 years. After the murder "Soho Mills" was renamed "Holmfield court".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/06/03/crossbow-cannibal-s-pal-killed-two-girls-115875-22305607/

[Nurse Sarah]

Interesting thought, who knows how much his study of crime has led/influenced him in his own crimes...

I just feel for the families at this time, not knowing where their daughters are...

[silverstealth]

Unless I've missed this in an earlier post, the remains found have been tested and are animal not human...which poses the statement...'back to square one'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10197001.stm

A thought that crossed my mind earlier was given the fact he was studying 19th century murder in Bradford, might he use some of the locations where people were dumped back then.

[Nurse Sarah]

Unless I've missed this in an earlier post, the remains found have been tested and are animal not human...which poses the statement...'back to square one'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10197001.stm

[silverstealth]

You've a real talent there for making something absolutely awful, look rather nice! Apparently they're grassing over the non-excavated parts of that land to make a "park". Sounds like the Westfield company are going to be a while before they commit to building in Bradford.

Obviously, recession or not, the Shepherd's Bush one in London got built didn't it? They know where to put their money....

All the best
Andrew

Yes they they are on with tidying it up, hell of a hole to fill mind.





This was taken April 23, 2010 as preparations began.

[Andrew Firth]

Hi Andrew, the hole does make for nice reflections though

At least he new Southgate complex is nearing completion.

You've a real talent there for making something absolutely awful, look rather nice! Apparently they're grassing over the non-excavated parts of that land to make a "park". Sounds like the Westfield company are going to be a while before they commit to building in Bradford.

Obviously, recession or not, the Shepherd's Bush one in London got built didn't it? They know where to put their money....

All the best
Andrew

[Suzi]

Hi Patrick, I thought part of what you wrote was from a message board and the rest was your own experience. I'm glad it wasn't, but unfortunately that just means some other poor person is going through it now. Must be terrible for those who live in the apt building; how can it ever feel like home again?

I was glad people brought flowers. Thanks Mark for posting the photos.

Best regards,
Archaic

Hi Archy!!!!!!!!

Yes Patrick's quotes from that message board are seriously disturbing- There's a LOT more to come out here I reckon but I honestly don't think we should give him the slightest encouragement as in board space.

Suz x

[Suzi]

I am wondering how long before there is a cry for a ban on crossbows.

Bloody well should be....