The Reid Scale: Classic Unsolved Murder Cases

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  • RivkahChaya
    Inspector
    • Aug 2012
    • 1382

    #151
    Originally posted by sdreid View Post
    In Illinois, it's called a Certificate of Innocence. Alan Beaman is seeking one but the state is fighting it because it would leave them open for damages.
    Alan Beaman. Generally, the police and prosecutor's office are protected from suits based on wrongful conviction if there was no misconduct, but if there really was misconduct on the part of the prosecutor, I'm not sure how a Certificate of Innocence would make a difference one way of another, other than speeding up the proceedings, or causing the state to settle, rather than going to (civil) trial.

    Apparently, what the prosecutor(s) did, or neglected to do, rather, was failed to turn over information regarding another suspect to the defense. The prosecution is required to make full disclosure of all potentially exculpating evidence. I haven't been able to find the prosecution's response to the charge, although I have a cousin who works for the prosecutor's office in Chicago, so I might email him. I'm assuming Beaman's trial took place in whatever county Bloomington, IL is in, since that's where the crime was committed.

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    • sdreid
      Commissioner
      • Feb 2008
      • 4956

      #152
      I think Beaman is mainly seeking monetary compensation for his ~15 years in prison so they aren't exactly punitive damages.

      Recent DNA tests from the crime scene yielded two profiles, neither of whom was Beaman.

      Lockmiller's mother has said from the beginning that she thought Beaman was innocent.
      This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

      Stan Reid

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      • RivkahChaya
        Inspector
        • Aug 2012
        • 1382

        #153
        Originally posted by sdreid View Post
        I think Beaman is mainly seeking monetary compensation for his ~15 years in prison so they aren't exactly punitive damages.
        In order not to seek punitive damages, he needs a Certificate of Innocence? Does that mean that without it, his only recourse would be a suit against the prosecutor? Does the state of Illinois have some kind of fund for reparations to people wrongly convicted, but only if they are judged actually innocent?

        I mean, I guess I could see something like that, because even when a person was convicted due to prosecutorial or judicial error, by the time it came to light, the prosecutor or judge could be dead, and I guess I can see why a Certificate of Innocence would be required, because a lot of people win appeals on technicalities who are probably not innocent, and there was a spate of women pardoned in the late 1990s, in several different states, after serving part of a life sentence, because several governors thought that if the battered women's defense had been available to them, they probably would have been able to use it, and been found "not guilty," but since it is an affirmative defense, they are not innocent, and wouldn't be entitled to recompense from a fund for wrongly convicted people, I wouldn't think.

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        • Bridewell
          Commissioner
          • Apr 2011
          • 4038

          #154
          Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
          I was attempting a "funny" Rivkah...clearly I did not succeed...

          All the best

          Dave
          You did, but clearly not across the board.
          I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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          • RivkahChaya
            Inspector
            • Aug 2012
            • 1382

            #155
            Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
            You did, but clearly not across the board.
            I still await an explanation.

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            • sdreid
              Commissioner
              • Feb 2008
              • 4956

              #156
              As I recall, the trial to have Dr. Sam Sheppard declared innocent was a civil proceeding. It failed.
              This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

              Stan Reid

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              • Cogidubnus
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Feb 2012
                • 3266

                #157
                You'll have to spell it out, because I still don't get it.
                I still await an explanation.
                Hi Rivkah...yes ma'am!

                Apologies for not replying before - have only just come across the thread again.

                Politicians are guilty as sin and constantly labour under a cloud...and yet even for the worst of them a time comes round when they find an opportunity to openly declare their innocence...that time is called...an election...

                Clearly it wasn't THAT much of a funny even before I had to explain it...Think I'll stick with the day job!

                All the best

                Dave

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                • sdreid
                  Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 4956

                  #158
                  Originally posted by sdreid View Post
                  As I recall, the trial to have Dr. Sam Sheppard declared innocent was a civil proceeding. It failed.
                  I saw the verdict on TV, live I think.
                  This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                  Stan Reid

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                  • sdreid
                    Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 4956

                    #159
                    More examples:

                    0-William Cook
                    1-William Heirens
                    2-Adelaide Bartlett
                    3-Robison Family Massacre
                    4-Zodiac
                    5-Cabin 28 Massacre
                    This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                    Stan Reid

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                    • sdreid
                      Commissioner
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 4956

                      #160
                      Originally posted by sdreid View Post
                      I think Beaman is mainly seeking monetary compensation for his ~15 years in prison so they aren't exactly punitive damages.

                      Recent DNA tests from the crime scene yielded two profiles, neither of whom was Beaman.

                      Lockmiller's mother has said from the beginning that she thought Beaman was innocent.
                      In the last few weeks, Beaman was certified as innocent by a judge.
                      This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                      Stan Reid

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                      • sdreid
                        Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 4956

                        #161
                        Originally posted by sdreid View Post
                        More examples:

                        0-William Cook
                        1-William Heirens
                        2-Adelaide Bartlett
                        3-Robison Family Massacre
                        4-Zodiac
                        5-Cabin 28 Massacre
                        The William Cook murder spree from 1950/51 is the first case I can remember when it was ongoing and in the news.
                        This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                        Stan Reid

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                        • sdreid
                          Commissioner
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 4956

                          #162
                          The only other case on that list I remember in real time is Zodiac.
                          This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                          Stan Reid

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                          • sdreid
                            Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 4956

                            #163
                            It looks like the status of the Boston Strangler might change in the near future, if it hasn't already.
                            This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                            Stan Reid

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                            • sdreid
                              Commissioner
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 4956

                              #164
                              Probably from a 4 to a 3 at the moment.
                              This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                              Stan Reid

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                              • sdreid
                                Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 4956

                                #165
                                It bothers me a bit that two DNA tests that supposedly came from the same source had opposite results.
                                This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                                Stan Reid

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