Yorkshire Ripper to be freed?

[D.Meakin]

Hopefully, he will never be released... used to know the daughters of one of his victims and they said they are glad he is off of the streets and not a danger.

[Christine1932]

Was it gutter press again, rallying about "danger of loonies" or something enlightened? Anyway, I too believe his real motif was perverted sexuality, not schizophrenia.

It does seem unlikely that he'll ever be released. I'm not sure that many people could accept the idea that he's seen the error of his ways. It didn't work for Myra Hindley, did it?

[DarkPassenger]

there is know way they will ever release peter sutcliffe. They have enough evidence to charge him with further crimes/murders.

It's very unlikely he's guilty of more murders in my book. He'd have admitted them by now.

[caz]

Maybe they should plan something like this,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7896828.stm

This killer escaped, only to be killed by a train! Anyone believe in Karma?

Blimey, Mike. I just caught up with this thread and noticed the above story.

Now I know what happened on the day I met my daughter for lunch up in Holborn. On the way home I sent her a text to say the trains were all up the creek due to a 'fatality on the line'. I never guessed it was a mental patient who had done a runner.

On the subject of Sutcliffe, I'm with those who say if he's sane and sorry he should want to stay locked up for what he did - and be jolly grateful that the law doesn't lower itself to creeping up behind him with a large hammer when he least expects it. If he's anything else he should stay locked away from society for obvious reasons.

I'm not sure there is any way to make someone feel genuine remorse if they have wilfully inflicted suffering on others. It would have to come from within that person, and you'd still never know that they were not merely feeling sorry for what they did because of the consequences to themselves.

"Of course I'm sorry, I'm only human. I'm sorry I got caught and they had to listen to me singing 'If I Had A Hammer' for the next thirty years."

Love,

Caz
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[dannymc]

there is know way they will ever release peter sutcliffe. They have enough evidence to charge him with further crimes/murders.

[halomanuk]

As long as this pratt doesn't get out then so be it..they just need to put the same ideas into practice for the pathetic so called 'killers' (anyone can kill) today..or bring back capital punishment and therefore stop the recession ..

[Limehouse]

The story appears in today's paper, and yet the event happened 18 years ago? Is The Sun that short of news?

[Nothing to see]

Fly on the wall time? Interesting.

[Mike Covell]

Just when you thought this case couldn't get any weirder, here is The Yorkshire Ripper, his friend Jimmy Savile, and Frank Bruno!!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2270180.ece

Hi Michael,

Well, he wouldn't be the first to be convicted and imprisoned and later found innocent, it's not just in the category of ' Murder ' there are numerous cases of where people have been innocent and imprisoned on other offences, i watched a documentary about a man who was wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for rape, he served over 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit, they dug up the old DNA records by a private investigator, a rich man funded his case ( if it hadn't been a rich person having beleif in him and paying all expenses for the case to be re-opened and fully investigated properly he would have been left to rot in prison) and what do you know, the DNA results didn't even match the guy they had imprisoned ( talk about bosh job! From the state). On this evidence, he was duly released from prison. I don't consider a life sentence for those of manslaughter, or those protecting themselves within reason of the circumstances. However, they can get the wrong guy and get the case wrong, that's nothing new they've made bosh jobs like that for nearly decades, i don't believe in capital punishment as we Brits call it, a death sentence. Or if i get really gory ' a lick of the cat ' ( whipping!)...hee hee, we don't do whipping anymore that went out with the Victorians i think, or just a little later.

Cheers
Shelley

In Canada....a case that caused the revision of execution for convicted murderers in the 1950's was just recently re-addressed, and in this case, it was found that there were insufficient grounds for the guilty verdict. He was not exonerated, but his record reflects now that he was wrongfully convicted and sentenced.

I am pleased for this individual, if innocent all these years, but angry for all the victims and victims families since, who had to live with the fact that the person who killed their loved one remains alive...and gets fed, and clothed and some even protected in jail, by their tax dollars.

Clifford Olsen is alive because of that change....he definitively murdered over 10 children...Bernardo is alive in jail, (under protective custody as is Olsen),.. and his wife who was an accomplice to the murders...including her own sister...is now free.

Those who kill, excluding in self defense, have waived their right to further air on this planet, and should not be kept alive by money that in some small way, is paid by the victims and their families...in my opinion.

If anything, the killers family should be given the option of paying the expenses for the convicted felon to remain safe behind bars, assuming any would want to. If not...........toast em.

Cheers all.

[QUOTE=Limehouse;69734]Hi Shelley,

I'd just like to challenge a few points you made.

the police have to allow any illegal immigrants in ( kind of blind eye) and they are not allowed to chase and catch them,

The police are not responsible for illegal immigrants, the Home Office is. Illegal immigrants are always sent back to their country of origin immediately unless they claim asylum in which case their claim will be thoroughly investigated and if found to be false, they are sent home. That is not to say that there are not illegal immigrants in this country who are unknown to the authorities. There will always be a number who outstay their visas or who enter the country illegally and go to ground. This happens in other countries too. A great many of them find work.

It is a police responsibility, they have immigration police.
Also many immigrants have wounds that fit the category of ' Torture ' along with thier stories, yet the Home Office still sees fit to deport them. There are illegal immigrants in this country, preyed on by criminals, yet the British Government do not apprehend the criminal who engaged in helping an illegal immigrant to gain access to Britain in the first place via a sum of money, in this case the criminal is not apprehended or charged, all is balanced and encumbered on the illegal immigrant.

The 'criminals being employed in the police force
that you mentioned are ex-offenders, who have reformed, and who are used by police officers to advise on criminal behaviour so that offenders can be more readily aprehended or crimes can be prevented altogether. It is admirable that these ex-offenders are so concerned about the effects of crime on society that they are willing to prevent further crimes or help to detect other criminals. This must surely be a positive move.

I'm not too sure about that, some still commit crimes when they are working officers. Example of the Detectives who worked on the case of the two girls who were victims of 'Ian Huntley' were found guilty and charged of pornography of children, a form of Peodphilia. Just because someone wears a uniform does not really mean they have reformed, indeed a local officer here, he had a petition set up against him from hundreds of residents, as he was demanding money and threatening them ' Corrupt cop ' as it's coined, all he had was ' The Sack!', if this had been a member of the public, he would have been charged with Blackmail at the most.


"Plus, they want more immigrants in because they know that they will end up voting Britain into Europe"

Actually we are already in Europe. We are part of the European Union and therefore subject to certain aspects of European law. We don't have to subscribe to all of the laws and of course, as members, we have the right to debate laws and ratify or amend/reject them through the European Parliament. We are not a passive and helpless state at the mercy of Europe.

I am aware that we are already in Europe, perhaps i didn't explain myself that well.....I meant it sways more in favour to have especially european other than British natives, to vote for parliment members to further increase of European red-tape and laws, therefore a deeper level with Europe dictating evermore.

"Why is it that a muslim labourer can get British residency in as little as 6 months along with a British Passport and virtual claim as a native, well same rights as a native of Britain, but Mr Alfied the owner of Harrods in Knightsbridge who has been bringing hefty taxes into this country, i'll bet he's paid millions of pounds to the British Govt in taxes over the years, no less than about 20-25 years of paid taxes, yet the British Govt won't allow him to have any residency claim or a passport"........

Getting redisdency in Britain has nothing to do with being a Muslim labourer or a Muslim businessman. It is to do with their country or origin. If a person is born in a former British colony or protectorate, they have (at present) the right to a British passport and the right to become resident in this country if they have a means of earning a living (or if they have close relatives living here). This is about to change and a points system is being introduced.

Mr Al Fyed was born in Egypt- not formally a British colony or protectorate - and is therefore subject to the rules that cover all other applicants to become British nationals. As someone who has continuously accused the British government of corruption, has made a mockery of the British justice system and who has accused the husband of the Monarch of being a murderer, he is obviously not going to be granted a British passport. As for paying millions in taxes, if, as you say, he is not a British resident (although I would argue that he lives here a great deal of the time) he is not subject to the same tax laws as everyone else and it is therefore unlikely that he pays millions in tax.

I'll say ok to that for now...... However, i don't think Mr Al Fayed is wrong in assuming that it was the Monarchy responsible for Diana & Dodi's death, i think they were the power behind it and i agree with Mr Al Fayed on that issue.

I realise that some aspects of life in Britain have become challenging and we have a great deal of work ahead to achieve and maintain proper law and order in society. However, we are a great deal better off than many countries
and we have a great many things to be proud of. It doesn't help the morale of the nation when groundless myths are expressed and repeated as if they are solid truths.

Life in Britain has become more challenging.....That's an understatement, we are overcrowded for one, the way crime is depicted in the ' No Crime ' category is scandallous to say the least, and that's not myth that comes from many different organisations and thier reports.

Cheers
All the Best

My view is:

If you have crossed the line and pre-determined to kill and have done so, ' life for a life '.......In Britain and Human rights issues signed to,

life imprisonment..Life should mean life.

[Ally]

More often than not, though, (or else our tests are crap) we are right and those dogs don't bite again. Isn't that worth something?

The reason that dogs with a violent bite history don't bite again, is because the owner's wise up and start keeping them permanently on a leash or behind a fence. As you say, they control them through careful monitoring. The equivalent of fence or a leash, in human terms, is of course, a prison. The only way to make sure they don't bite again.