The Tottenham Outrage

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Graham, where did you get this joke - poem from?!

I'll step in here - I'm snowbound, and bored! Graham (if I know him right as a man of impeccable taste ) probably recalled it from the Goons' song "Rhymes" - you'll find it on the CD The World of the Goons, which is available on Amazon.

"Send only two-and-sixpence for a copy of this record..."

[Steve S]

I actually did a tour of the Tottenham outrage with my schoolfriends about 15 - 16 years ago, there was a scratched cross on the wall where the policeman was shot and it is still there. I now regularly go on bike rides through Walthamstow Marshes, the bridge is still there.

Didn't Winston Churchill become involved as I think he was Home Secretary at the time? Yes, I think he personally turned up outside the house they were hiding in whilst they were firing at the police and a really good photograph is floating around somewhere of Winnie and the rozzers dodging bullets!

That was Sidney St.....Same Gang,Different Outrage......
Steve

[Pablito]

can anyone give me a link to this particular photo of W Churchill or the sydney st gang? Thanks.

[Stewart P Evans]

Winston Churchill

Churchill at the siege.

[Archaic]

Tottenham Covered In 'Black Museum' Video

Hi, Stewart and everyone.

The Tottenham incident is covered in this 1988 video of The Black Museum at New Scotland Yard, hosted by its then Curator Bill Waddell.

It's quite a good documentary; shows items from the museum, archival footage and filmed recreations of a number of famous cases, including the Ripper and Crippen.

View free on Google Videos.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6200191805519786321&ei=Z3hWSuL4F4G6qAPalNz_Dg&q=Black+Museum&hl=en

Enjoy, Archaic

[Cubitt]

I read somewhere (yes okay, probably wikipedia) that there was footage of Churchill at the Sydney Street seige getting a bullet through his hat. Literally a couple of inches lower and he'd have copped it.

I don't think it's on youTube (at least Churchill+Sydney+street+bullet turn up nothing) but has anyone else ever seen this footage? Or even heard about it?

[Steve S]

Haven't heard that one before...On film or otherwise...Urban myth ??
Steve

[Cubitt]

Ii checked and I did read it on wikipedia:

"Much of the siege was captured by newsreel cameras, including the moment a gunman's bullet passed through Mr Churchill's top hat, coming within inches of killing him. This footage was later shown at the Palace Theatre, London, under the billing, "Mr Churchill in the danger zone".

Judge it how you will!

[Pablito]

thats great Stewart, where did you get it from? He looks very young

Patricia Collier has published a small book called the Secrets of the Tottenham Outrage, its available from Walthamstow Museum.

Anyone manage to get hold of film footage of Churchill getting his hat shot off at the Sydney St Outrage?

Churchill at the siege.

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[Rob Clack]

There's some footage of the Sidney Street Siege on the British Pathe site.

http://www.britishpathe.com/

Just type in Sidney Street Siege

And here's another photo of Churchill from the book 'Lost London' by Ben Leeson

[Cubitt]

There's some footage of the Sidney Street Siege on the British Pathe site.

http://www.britishpathe.com/

This Pathe site is providing hours of entertainment, cheers Rob

[withcall]

Tottenham Outrage - We walked most of the route in the summer, except for the bit between the Banbury Reservoir and the Crooked Billet - I think they went across somewhere near where Morrisons is now. In January, they are meant to be having a ceremony to mark the spot where the little boy was killed - I think it's Sunday 23rd. There is confusion in the books as to where PC Tyler was shot - the sketch maps all put the spot in different places. Looking at photos, I think it was just north of the wall of the council depot, not far from the footbridge - the spot is covered by modern houses now. There is meant to be a plaque on the wall of the police station, although we didn't notice it when we were there. As for the rubber factory, I'm pretty sure that is a car park now. Regarding Oak Cottage, I have a copy of a postcard of it, and the rwo of cottages next to it. The end one was the Royal Oak pub - the more recent pub stands on that site today.

[Limehouse]

Hi withcall

I used to live very close to the railway arch off Winchester Road where one of the robbers shot himself. As a child I regularly walked through the alleyway and under the railway to visit a friend.

The Royal Oak pub is also a familiar sight to me and I am sure at least two of the cottages were still standing when I was a child.

I still have family in the area but very few local people know about the events of that day over one hundred years ago.

[withcall]

Rumbelow's account of the events is the better written, but it is only the preface really, to a much longer and more detailed account of the Houndsditch Murders. the other two booklets are 'Outrage - An Edwardian Tragedy' by Janet Harris, and 'Secrets of The Tottenham Outrage' by Patricia Collier. There is a very detailed website based on the Janet Harris book, with photos, maps, and a detailed account of the centenary commemorations in January 2009. The little boy's mother survived until the 1950s, and always kept the boots he was wearing when he was shot. It is a fascinating story, full of strange happenings. The £80 in the wages bag was never recovered - no doubt it was scooped up by one of the pursuers and 'redistributed'. The difference in firepower between the two Latvians and the policeman was astonishing - it echoes what was, until recent times, the huge difference between determined, hardcore foreign criminals/activists and complacent British authorities. They came from a society used to sudden death, repression and constant savage violence - hence their weapons. They dropped into a relatively sleepy British society used to justice, fairness and the rule of law. On that January day, it was 'no-contest', sadly.

[withcall]

Went to a simple but impressive commemoration service yesterday, at the Good Shepherd Church, Mitchley Road, Tottenham. They unveiled a plaque commemorating the death of 10 year-old Ralph Joscelyne, shot by one of the Latvian gunmen during the Tottenham Outrage. One of Ralph's relatives (his grandmother was one of Ralph's sisters) made a short speech. The actual spot where he was killed is believed to be just a few yards down the road, on the corner of Mitchly and Dawlish Roads. The boy's grave is in Abney Park Cemetery. The shooting happened on January 23rd, 1909.