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  • Originally posted by Sherlock View Post
    It seems that Beryl Evans also had a brother named Peter and a sister named Pat as well as her brother Basil.

    In an article in the Sunday Mirror Beryl's brother who is named Peter Mylton-Thorley has stated that he wishes the bodies of Beryl and Geraldine to be exhumed from Gunnersbury Roman Catholic cemetery and re-interrred in a Jewish cemetery as Beryl was in fact Jewish herself. He also states that he would sometimes visit Beryl at 10 Rillington Place and if she was out he would have a cup of tea and a sticky bun with the Christies until she returned. He states that he was working in New Zealand at the time Beryl was murdered and did not discover her grave until 2003.

    This is certainly interesting information as I had no idea that Beryl was Jewish. As far as I am aware this has never been mentioned previously in any book or article about the case and so it cannot have been widely known. I was also unaware that Beryl had another brother and a sister as well as her brother Basil. The article has a picture of Beryl as a child with her brothers Peter and Basil and her sister Pat, as well as as a recent picture of Basil, Peter and Pat as adults and another of Peter with his wife.

    This is all very intriguing. I would assume that Beryl was originally buried in a Catholic cemetery as her husband was Catholic and Geraldine may possibly have been given a Catholic baptism. At the same time it is difficult to understand why Peter did not discover Beryl's grave until 2003 as it's location had been mentioned in several accounts of the case previously, including Forty Years of Murder by Keith Simpson published in the 1970s. Basil also stated that it had taken many years to discover Beryl's grave when he appeared in a documentary a couple of years or so ago.

    Surely Beryl's family would have been notified of her place of burial when her funeral took place? If they were not, then why not? Why did they not make enquiries at the time of her death? This is yet another mystery arising from the cases of Christie and Evans.
    The sudden appearance of Beryl's "lost" relatives late last year was indeed a major revelation. So far, we only knew of Basil, Beryl's younger brother who was only 17 at the time, who knew Evans very well, and was totally convinced of his brother-in-law's guilt, stating such explicitely in John's Eddowes' book.

    I consider it almost unbelievable that the authorities had no idea of Beryl's background when interring her twice (1949 and 1953) in a Catholic graveyard.

    I wonder whether Lucy Endecott and Joan Vincent, close friends of Beryl who were still in their late teens at the time of the 1949 murders, are still alive.

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    • Just an observation from a "cradle Catholic"-- my mother was required to take classes in Catholicism and convert from her Methodist faith, before marrying my Catholic father. This was in the early 1940s, though in California.

      I don't think Beryl could have married a Catholic man without a similar conversion, unless they did not have a church wedding. I thought among Jews the faith was through the mother's line, not the father's, anyway?
      Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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      • I have no idea why it would take so much time to locate Beryl, unless the family had no idea to look in Catholic cemeteries.

        If a Jew converts to Catholicism to marry a Catholic, the person is still considered Jewish, and can at at any time, even death, return to Judaism, and so can be buried in a Jewish cemetery, Geraldine would have been a more interesting case, If she asked a beit din if she were Jewish to rule on her status, when she was an adult, after having no Jewish upbringing, it is hard t say what they would rule. Recently, in the US, there has been a sort of "rule" to use the word in it's vernacular, that in a family which has turned to another religion, or simply ceased to raise their children as Jewish, four generations are required before a child loses the right to become ba'al tshuvah, and must convert.

        Under a ruling like that, Geraldine would be Jewish.

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        • New R Place podcast

          Hi everyone, have stumbled across a new podcast on Itunes called 'The Other Side of Rillington Place', which looks at the lives of Christie's actual and supposed victims. No great revelations so far but quite effective nonetheless

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          • I have just discovered that the Chamber of Horrors in London's Madame Tussaud's closed a couple of years ago. Apparently young children were finding it too frightening and it has been replaced by something called the Sherlock Holmes Experience.

            It is therefore no longer possible to see a waxwork effigy of Christie in Madame Tussaud's. The last one I saw was in the 1980s when he was pasting wallpaper on his kitchen table to cover up the door of the alcove where he had concealed the bodies of Rita Nelson, Kathleen Maloney and Hectorina Maclennan. This may have been his second effigy. I never saw the third one where he was about to be executed.

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            • there's actually a video of that!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79TopGLsfsM

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              • Hi folks - I've used the Lockdown to read through this thread.

                The Christie & Evans case is an intriguing one for sure. Obtaining certainty is nigh impossible as both the headline acts were inveterate liars, as is regularly and rightly pointed out in the above posts.

                Whilst (nearly) all would agree that Evans' legal guilt - founded substantially upon the evidence of Christie, a man subsequently proven to be a serial killer - can no longer be regarded as safe, opinions here and elsewhere over the years have nonetheless varied as to the extent, if any, of Evans' role in the murder of his wife and/or daughter.

                My own feeing is that Evans did not murder either and that Christie alone was responsible for both. If Evans had murdered one or both, I cannot visualise how the ever nosey Christie in that compact environment would not have become aware before the police. Furthermore, assuming that Evans had murdered at least his wife Beryl, I suspect Christie's instinct would have been to tell the police rather than murder baby Geraldine and let Evans bolt and head for the Welsh hills (there are strong suggestions that Christie was a police informer at this time).

                I say this as the only other bodies of Christie victims at the time were buried in the garden; there were none in the house. I appreciate that Christie still would not have welcomed the presence of police at 10 Rillington Place given his earlier murders. However, Christie's best bet - if Evans was solely responsible - was to alert the police as immediately as possible to what Evans had done and trust that they did not start looking around the garden. After all, for a domestic murder there was little reason for them to do so. This was demonstrated by their later inactions, albeit there was by then more reason for a fuller search in view of Evans' accusations.

                The above also appears to be supported by the testimony of the workmen who used the outhouse where the bodies of Beryl and Geraldine were found. Evans left 10 Rillington Place before their work was finished and they apparently asserted that the bodies could not have been concealed in the outhouse whilst it was in use by them.

                The above all said, I would also be very interested to read Evans' ''confessions'' as apparently dictated to the police and would want to do that before firming up on my feeling.

                Best regards,
                OneRound







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                • Good post, OneRound. This gruesome case has always fascinated me.

                  Unless something new comes to light, I will continue to believe that Evans had no part in the murders, and was entirely manipulated by Christie, who recognised the man's weakness of character and intellect and took full advantage of both.

                  Love,

                  Caz
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                  "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                  • Originally posted by caz View Post
                    Good post, OneRound. This gruesome case has always fascinated me.

                    Unless something new comes to light, I will continue to believe that Evans had no part in the murders, and was entirely manipulated by Christie, who recognised the man's weakness of character and intellect and took full advantage of both.

                    Love,

                    Caz
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                    bingo Caz. This really isnt even a mystery. to me anyway.
                    "Is all that we see or seem
                    but a dream within a dream?"

                    -Edgar Allan Poe


                    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

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