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  • #76
    Sorry Fleetwood, but I would care greatly if a country with the military power of the USA had Hitler as their leader.
    G U T

    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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    • #77
      If the USA belives that a Jerry Springer kind of guy should become President, well they'll quickly see it leads nowhere but will attract the lower level crowd and still get high ratings!!!

      All he's been doing is bring out the worst without offering intelligent solutions. Is this the best you guys can acheive given these words?: '
      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
      I wonder!

      Respectfully,
      Hercule Poirot

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post
        But the majority of American voters dislike Trump, as this guy points out:



        So, do we let the press off the hook for covering The Donald so much we're sick of his stupid face? Hmmmm...
        The majority of American voters don't ever bother voting but most will read clickbait articles about any of the candidates. Seriously, this year most states has barely even cracked 30%, only three have had more than 35%bother (New Hampshire 52%, Vermont 38.7% and Massachusetts 37%) showing up but their viral designed Facebook posts are shared by larger percentages of eligible voters in every state. We'll be lucky if half of voters in each state even bother with the general election.
        ****, if getting people to show up to vote for anyone but Trump might be the only way to get 52% of voters in the booth then there's a part of me that hopes he gets the nomination just to scare people into doing their ******* duty as a citizen. Sorry but voter apathy combined with the same apathetic jerk's need to be obnoxious about their views anywhere but the voting booth has really started to get time this year. Gonna be rough going to November for me.
        I’m often irrelevant. It confuses people.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Hercule Poirot View Post
          If the USA belives that a Jerry Springer kind of guy should become President, well they'll quickly see it leads nowhere but will attract the lower level crowd and still get high ratings!!!

          All he's been doing is bring out the worst without offering intelligent solutions. Is this the best you guys can acheive given these words?: '
          We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
          I wonder!

          Respectfully,
          Hercule Poirot
          In this country we have a tendency to gravitate towards the polar opposite of the current two term president. We don't always elect those people, but we tend to have them. Which is what cracks me up about the republican party considering Trump. Because he is a tyrannical amoral blowhard, admitting that Obama was the exact opposite of that during his tenure.
          The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Hercule Poirot View Post
            If the USA belives that a Jerry Springer kind of guy should become President, well they'll quickly see it leads nowhere but will attract the lower level crowd and still get high ratings!!!

            All he's been doing is bring out the worst without offering intelligent solutions. Is this the best you guys can acheive given these words?: '
            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
            I wonder!

            Respectfully,
            Hercule Poirot
            Ah, M. Poirot, few American documents actually have such well written prose as that preamble (including the rest of the Constitution). It was written by some of the best educated minds (including Franklin - although rather elderly at this time, Hamilton, and Madison) of the day. But I remind you, many of these same men were slave owners, and made a mockery of "promoting the general Welfare" with the "3/5's Compromise" and a promise to stop importing slaves into the U.S. after 1808 (a promise that was never fully kept - a slave ship Captain was hanged in New York City in 1860!!). Still I'd take a Madison, a Jefferson, or a Hamilton or a John Adams (with all their defects) any day over a Donald Trump and others.

            Jeff

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            • #81
              This article deserves to be read: http://www.vox.com/2016/3/28/1131872...foreign-policy

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              • #82
                Very illuminating, indeed. Donald Trump is an idiot in many of the areas where a head of state should not be, and he tries to avoid this by saying he'll "hire people" to advise him on trifling things like foreign policy.
                Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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                • #83
                  I'm always fascinated when people say that this politician or that politician "scares" them. Do they really? Are you actually "scared"? Are you sitting in a darkened room weeping, rocking back and forth?

                  Well, take it from me, folks! Don't be scared! Not even of mean, nasty, ugly ol' Donald Trump and his awful hair! The world will keep turning and you'll be just fine. I'm just old enough to remember people wringing their hands over Reagan. "He terrifies me! He's a cowboy! He'll get us blown up! He's an ACTOR!" Eh. He did just fine. The world's still spinning and there is airports and buildings named after the guy!

                  I remember the same stuff about George H. W. Bush. He scared everyone because he was a 'wimp', right? So, we were scared of Reagan because he was mean and said mean things about the Soviets......and we were scared of Bush because he wasn't mean, was kind of pleasant, and said things about thousands of points of light or something or other. But then he said, "No new taxes!" and "flip flopped" on that. That was too scary for most of us. So, he got one term.

                  Then Clinton came along. He was scary because he was a 'failed' governor in a small, not particularly wonderful state, right? I've been to Arkansas? He was scary because he was morally corrupt. "How can he manage the nation when he can't manage his own personal life?" Remember that? So scary it sends chills down the spine, eh? And what happened? Not much. The economy boomed. Yeah. It was beginning of the tech explosion. But, he took credit and why not? I mean, maybe people won't be scared of him if he's an economic genius! Well, he got reelected, so maybe he was less scary the second time around! Although, he never got a majority of the vote. But he won because Ross Perot was so darned scary. Bob Dole, too.

                  George W. Bush was scary! Petrified people. Still does. War monger. Iraq. All that stuff is really scary. But, remember. He wasn't so scary after 9/11. We all loved him. He was one of the most popular presidents ever. Remember that first pitch in the World Series! That wasn't scary! That was awesome! I'll give him a few more popularity points for throwing a strike with a flak jacket on! Oh, yeah. But then he "LIED" and "KIDS DIED". Scary. But, it's useful to remember things without some pundit telling you what you should be retroactively scared of and why. And besides, there were other things to be 'scared' of, right? Planes flying into buildings. Anthrax. Dirty bombs. Osam Bin Laden. See. That's a scary person! Bush? Eh...he never scared me much. Except when he owned the Rangers.

                  Then we had Obama. Secret Muslim. Scary. Reverend Wright! Scary. Not really an American. Scary. Lived in Indonesia! Scary. Black. Scary. And what.....Obamacare? Well...that was scary, too! Until it wasn't. It's fine. I'm not scared. Just like I'm not scared of Trump. I'm not scared of Hillary. I'm a little scared of Cruz because of how his mouth looks when he talks and that thing that came out of it in that one debate and I feel like he should be perched on a building because he looks like a gargoyle. I'm not scared of the scary socialist Bernie because we don't have a socialist system of government and he can he only have so big an impact unless we elect a bunch of socialists to congress to help him socialize America. That's scary to think about. Eh. Not really. But, I just want to be scared, too. Like everyone else.

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                  • #84
                    Patrick, I tend to believe that Americans were not scared but rather worried with whatever the Presidents you named had in mind before their election. The kind of fear expressed towards Trump is quite a different one and is based on words he uses which no other president nominee would have used. Let's hope it will result in voters going to vote against him and not deny the seriousness of the situation or bury their head in the sand.

                    Respectfully
                    Hercule Poirot

                    P.S. Up here in Canada, 'we' elected Harper who would do whatever the President of the USA did. It took us some 8 years to figure out what had happened only to have a Care Bear now replacing him!!!

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Patrick S View Post

                      The world will keep turning and you'll be just fine.
                      Pretty much.

                      We've had all sorts of demagogues, psychopaths, out-and-out lunatics, mass murderers, missionaries with good intentions, and the rest of it running countries; and we've had supposed freedom fighters and supposed altruists in opposition to their policies.

                      Whatever these people do, economies will recover and so will communities.

                      It's a human flaw to think that this particular generation, any generation, has it within their power to save the world. But then, people, some people, need a cause and every cause needs impending doom.

                      Life will go on regardless and Mr Trump will barely register in the grand scheme of a hundred year period.

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                      • #86
                        After his bad showing in Wisconsin is the Trump phenomenon fast running out of momentum, do you think? Even if he wins New York he'd be really pushing it to reach the required number of delegates. Will it be a brokered Convention?

                        Whichever way the GOP elders look there seems to be disaster looming. Stay with Trump and face a trouncing in November, back Cruz and almost certain defeat judging by national polling, or bring in a 'white knight' and risk enraging Republican voters. If Trump takes his bat and ball and walks out of the Convention and runs as an Independent then the Republican vote will almost certainly be split. What to do?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Rosella View Post
                          After his bad showing in Wisconsin is the Trump phenomenon fast running out of momentum, do you think? Even if he wins New York he'd be really pushing it to reach the required number of delegates. Will it be a brokered Convention?

                          Whichever way the GOP elders look there seems to be disaster looming. Stay with Trump and face a trouncing in November, back Cruz and almost certain defeat judging by national polling, or bring in a 'white knight' and risk enraging Republican voters. If Trump takes his bat and ball and walks out of the Convention and runs as an Independent then the Republican vote will almost certainly be split. What to do?
                          You've got the GOP "establishment", whatever the hell that is, trying to derail trump, along with the prospect of some fishy BS going down at the republican convention on one side and Hillary getting all the "super delegates" , whatever the hell those are !?! (without those she only leads sanders by 20 or so delegates) on the other.

                          so much for democracy. more like an oligarchy (party elites).

                          its a joke-a bad one.
                          "Is all that we see or seem
                          but a dream within a dream?"

                          -Edgar Allan Poe


                          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                          -Frederick G. Abberline

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Rosella View Post
                            After his bad showing in Wisconsin is the Trump phenomenon fast running out of momentum, do you think? Even if he wins New York he'd be really pushing it to reach the required number of delegates. Will it be a brokered Convention?

                            Whichever way the GOP elders look there seems to be disaster looming. Stay with Trump and face a trouncing in November, back Cruz and almost certain defeat judging by national polling, or bring in a 'white knight' and risk enraging Republican voters. If Trump takes his bat and ball and walks out of the Convention and runs as an Independent then the Republican vote will almost certainly be split. What to do?
                            Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                            You've got the GOP "establishment", whatever the hell that is, trying to derail trump, along with the prospect of some fishy BS going down at the republican convention on one side and Hillary getting all the "super delegates" , whatever the hell those are !?! (without those she only leads sanders by 20 or so delegates) on the other.

                            so much for democracy. more like an oligarchy (party elites).

                            its a joke-a bad one.
                            The hope to derail Trump before or at the GOP Convention in Cleveland may be a pipedream. However, the convention at least promises to be a messy affair, and the general election possible bad news for the Republican Party as well, as many of the pundits are predicting. Just look at Trump's "unfavorables" -- much worse than Hillary Clinton's. Although he has excited and energized his supporters, he is also earning the disfavor of many on both sides of the aisle to the extent that it might make it impossible for him to become President in November. Arguably if that were to happen, the blame should be laid at his feet for a number of things that he has said since he announced his candidacy in the presidential race last summer.

                            Best regards

                            Chris
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
                              The hope to derail Trump before or at the GOP Convention in Cleveland may be a pipedream. However, the convention at least promises to be a messy affair, and the general election possible bad news for the Republican Party as well, as many of the pundits are predicting. Just look at Trump's "unfavorables" -- much worse than Hillary Clinton's. Although he has excited and energized his supporters, he is also earning the disfavor of many on both sides of the aisle to the extent that it might make it impossible for him to become President in November. Arguably if that were to happen, the blame should be laid at his feet for a number of things that he has said since he announced his candidacy in the presidential race last summer.

                              Best regards

                              Chris
                              Hi Chris
                              absolutely agree. and I say it often to people-trump may very well talk himself out of the presidency.

                              when we were talking politics last night with my family, my 11 year old son said-why cant their be more than one candidate for either side for president in the general election?

                              I thought it rather brilliant idea actually.
                              "Is all that we see or seem
                              but a dream within a dream?"

                              -Edgar Allan Poe


                              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                              -Frederick G. Abberline

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                              • #90
                                It's pretty clear that Kasich cost himself a very real shot at the presidency by not announcing sooner. By the time he got in, he spent so much time trying to get a word in edgewise that no one noticed him. At some point people realized he was there, that he may be rational, isn't as much of a loudmouthed narcissist as Trump, and isn't nearly as creepy and revolting as Cruz. People will hold their nose and vote for Clinton over Cruz and Trump. Many would have gone for Kasich, I think. After all, Clinton has become somewhat ridiculous herself. I mean, let's face it. Sanders is the only guy on either side who likely actually believes anything he says. I don't agree with a damn thing he says, but it seems obvious enough to me. Alas, he is completely unelectable. 75 year old Jewish socialists, historically speaking, haven't done well in general elections.....not that we've ever had many that old. Or that Jewish. Or that socialist.....much less all in one.

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