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  • Alcatraz: Did they break the 'Rock'?

    Did three men actually survive the escape from Alcatraz?

    John and Clarence Anglin and Frank Morris are thought to have been among the 36 who died at sea while trying to escape from The Rock. But a new documentary claims they could be the only people ever to make it out alive


    An image allegedly showing Clarence, left, and John Anglin in Brazil in 1975



    How they looked in 1962.

    Computer aged, how they may have looked in 2012.


    In June 1962, three inmates shimmied through a hole they’d chiseled into the walls of Alcatraz prison and climbed up to the roof. To mask their escape, they’d placed in their bunks realistic-looking dummy heads they’d made out of papier-mâché and human hair from the prison barber shop. The three men — brothers John and Clarence Anglin and fellow inmate Frank Morris — grabbed makeshift paddles and plunged an escape raft they made of stolen raincoats into the dark waters of San Francisco Bay.

    Alcatraz officials have long stated that the men drowned, maintaining the prison’s bragging rights of no escapees. But now, more than 50 years later, new leads are being presented by the Anglin family, who are cooperating with authorities for the first time.

    They claim that not only did the brothers survive the escape, they were alive and well up through at least the mid-1970s — and may still be alive today.



    David Widner says he’s working on a book that will contain more evidence not included in the TV show. That includes a surprise guest star: Boston crime boss Whitey Bulger, who met the future escapees in Alcatraz. Bulger, in a 2014 letter to Ken Widner, said he instructed John and Clarence on how to navigate bay currents, and dropped a key piece of advice about being a fugitive.

    “He taught them that when you disappear, you have to cut all ties,” Ken says. “He told me in a letter, ‘This is the mistake that I made.’ He told me, ‘These brothers undoubtedly had done exactly what I told them to do.’ ”


    Roderick has lined up 10 new interviews since seeing the evidence, and is talking to US marshals about investigating in Brazil, where the Anglins may have ended up. If they are still alive (both would be in their mid-80s by now), international laws may not even allow extradition to the US.
    In June 1962, three inmates shimmied through a hole they’d chiseled into the walls of Alcatraz prison and climbed up to the roof. To mask their escape, they’d placed in their bunks realistic-lookin…
    Regards, Jon S.

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    I honestly can't decide.
    G U T

    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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    • #3
      I did watch that documentary. It was interesting but seemed a bit biased leaning towards them having escaped. I did read about some tests done where they put a raft into the water off Alcatraz at different times. If I remember correctly their conclusion was that they could have navigated the currents but only had a relatively short period of time to do it. If they left around midnight I think it was they had about and hour and a half time frame in which they could have made it but anything outside of that window would be virtually impossible.

      c.d.

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      • #4
        I've read about this and pondered for years and I'm still on the fence .What are the odds of three bodies never been found surely at least one would be found.
        Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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        • #5
          I think I read some years ago that the night of the escape had the most favourable tide in the whole month.
          Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pinkmoon View Post
            I've read about this and pondered for years and I'm still on the fence .What are the odds of three bodies never been found surely at least one would be found.
            Depends on the currents. I have no idea how the currents work around Alcatraz, but if the bodies were carried out to sea it is not at all unlikely that they'd never be found.

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            • #7
              The documentary suggested the prisoners used a tow rope attached to the rear of the last boat to leave the island on change of shift?, or something like that.
              That being the case they didn't row across, or trust to the current, but were towed toward the mainland unknowingly by a prison motor boat.
              Regards, Jon S.

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              • #8
                Huh. And if the sun was going down, and they were in the water, they might never have been noticed. Interesting idea.
                Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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                • #9
                  This is one of those cases that tears me apart a bit. I don't like the idea of escaping criminals, especially murderers, but given the reputation of Alcatraz as "escape proof" I tend to almost like the idea that the three did get away totally. Still I have a feeling they didn't.

                  Jeff

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post
                    Huh. And if the sun was going down, and they were in the water, they might never have been noticed. Interesting idea.
                    I just replayed a part of the documentary.
                    The Anglin brothers had a childhood friend, Fred Brizzi, who told investigators that when they were kids on the Bayou, they all became quite adept at body surfing, as they called it.

                    For entertainment they would attach a rope to the rudder of a boat and wait for the owner to set off, them being dragged behind at a distance, body-surfing.
                    Brizzi said, that'll be how they left the island.

                    Apparently investigators located a schedule showing a prison boat leaving the island for the mainland sometime after midnight on the night of the escape.

                    One witness on the mainland did tell the FBI that he saw a boat sat out in the straits between the prison and the mainland just idling there doing nothing.

                    The conjecture is that this idling boat might have been waiting for the prison boat to pass, and pick up its unknown passengers hanging on behind.

                    The documentary does show the U.S. Marshall Service are following up on the clues advanced by the program.
                    Regards, Jon S.

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                    • #11
                      Having been to Alcatraz, simply as a visitor I hasten to add, I can confirm that very strong currents do run past the island. At the time I arrived I would guess that the tide was running at least 6 knots.
                      Also the channel between the island and San Francisco is a route for many large cargo ships, get too close to one of those and you would be sucked under by the force of the ship's propellers.

                      Good luck to those guys, I certainly wouldn't try it.

                      Rgds
                      John

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