13 Killed, 20 Wounded in Oregon College Shooting

[sdreid]

What kind of gun I need is not for others to determine. If a gang is kicking in my front door, I need a belt fed .30 cal. machine gun. Btw-I am an NRA member

[Rosella]

Oh Stan, with respect, your first sentence encapsulates why your country will continue to experience gun massacres. And gun laws need to be national, not State based.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

I'm not trying to start anything, but it seems a lot more common in America than anywhere else, though I think us Aussies still hold the record with Port Arthur. But at least we took steps to reduce the number of guns out there after that.

It seems at least every month or two there is another one in the USA.

It is just so sad.

This is only my opinion, and I mean no disrespect to Americans, but I think there is an element of "I'll take care of it myself" deeply set in the US cultural DNA.

There was a time, not so long ago, that you had to protect your people the only way you could, when the country was still developing. Every time I look at most police shooting, I see how different they act, rarely calling for backup in front of a single shooter. Over here, if there is suspicion of crime involving weapons, the police counter with overwhelming force.

So, with this point of view in mind, I kind of understand (even though I disagree) why a lot of people don't want to have stricter access to guns.

Like I said, this is purely an opinion based on non scientific comparisons.

[GUT]

i have a similar feeling Sir.

[GUT]

Here theyre now saying 9 dead.

[Pcdunn]

[QUOTEGUT;354922]Here theyre now saying 9 dead.[/QUOTE]

Apparently early reports were exaggerated, it is actually 10 deaths.
I think the 10th death was the gunman himself. He was a student, and all victims were classmates in one of his classes.

Another story emerging is of a young man with military training who tried to stop the gunman, was shot seven times-- and has SURVIVED! Sometimes good things do come out of these tragedies.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

He actually prevent the killer from entering a classroom full of people, from what I read. He became a human shield. Hero, indeed.

[GUT]

He actually prevent the killer from entering a classroom full of people, from what I read. He became a human shield. Hero, indeed.

Thought I'd commented on that, a true hero that young man.

[DirectorDave]

I don't care about the victims, or their families or the suffering community...or at least that's what I'm going to attempt...

I'm sure I'll have moments of weakness when the next mass shooting happens, or the next one again, or the one after that, or the biggest one yet, or the next again which was even worse, or the next one, or the next few, the one where it was the youngest shooter, or the one with the rifle that fired multiple bullets per second, or the copycat one, or the one where a guy with a certain melanin level shot the folks with a different melanin level, or the two in one day, the next one after that.

A country who refuses to change after all these atrocities really does not deserve my empathy or thought time.

I'm sick of the moronic excuses about "being able to overthrow a tyranical government" or "to defend against the British" (like we'd ever wan't to share a nationality with a large percentage of eegits)...the people that are rising up are the mentally ill, dispossesed or just plain bad and they are killing your children...and they will keep on killing your children, not until you change the law on guns but till they can't get their hands on them.

I mean this 2nd ammendment thing was a change or addition to a previous law? Well ammend the ammendment!

[GUT]

I don't care about the victims, or their families or the suffering community...or at least that's what I'm going to attempt...

I'm sure I'll have moments of weakness when the next mass shooting happens, or the next one again, or the one after that, or the biggest one yet, or the next again which was even worse, or the next one, or the next few, the one where it was the youngest shooter, or the one with the rifle that fired multiple bullets per second, or the copycat one, or the one where a guy with a certain melanin level shot the folks with a different melanin level, or the two in one day, the next one after that.

A country who refuses to change after all these atrocities really does not deserve my empathy or thought time.

I'm sick of the moronic excuses about "being able to overthrow a tyranical government" or "to defend against the British" (like we'd ever wan't to share a nationality with a large percentage of eegits)...the people that are rising up are the mentally ill, dispossesed or just plain bad and they are killing your children...and they will keep on killing your children, not until you change the law on guns but till they can't get their hands on them.

I mean this 2nd ammendment thing was a change or addition to a previous law? Well ammend the ammendment!

I just don't understand what the objection to this proposition is.

If they want things to continue, do nothing. but If they want to take steps to stop the killing this seems like the first one, LIMIT guns.

I'm yet to hear how this fellow had any guns at all let alone 13.

[Pcdunn]

Agreed, but it's the Constitution (folks get tetchy about it)

I don't care about the victims, or their families or the suffering community...or at least that's what I'm going to attempt...

I'm sure I'll have moments of weakness when the next mass shooting happens, or the next one again, or the one after that, or the biggest one yet, or the next again which was even worse, or the next one, or the next few, the one where it was the youngest shooter, or the one with the rifle that fired multiple bullets per second, or the copycat one, or the one where a guy with a certain melanin level shot the folks with a different melanin level, or the two in one day, the next one after that.

A country who refuses to change after all these atrocities really does not deserve my empathy or thought time.

I'm sick of the moronic excuses about "being able to overthrow a tyranical government" or "to defend against the British" (like we'd ever wan't to share a nationality with a large percentage of eegits)...the people that are rising up are the mentally ill, dispossesed or just plain bad and they are killing your children...and they will keep on killing your children, not until you change the law on guns but till they can't get their hands on them.

I mean this 2nd ammendment thing was a change or addition to a previous law? Well ammend the ammendment!

Hello, DirectorDave.
I understand, and agree with you. Please don't think every person in the USA carries a firearm around, or owns them. I don't, most of my friends and family don't, and I live in a fair-sized city near the capitol of Colorado.

The second Amendment is part of the Constitution of the United States, along with nine others called the Bill of Rights. It was written in the 18th century, when most European nations prohibited the "common man" from bearing weapons of any kind. I think our forefathers knew we were small, weak, surrounded on all sides by enemies and wilderness, and knew we needed a militia.

That's fine, but times have changed. We have police and military now. We've survived a couple hundred years of history. We do our best to make right the wrongs we've done to others, belated as it may be. This idea that we must mistrust our government and resist all attempts to control guns is stupid. We're just saying use common sense about what is available and to whom, not melt them all down.

You'll hate the latest story I heard today, out of Tennessee. An eleven year old boy asked to play with the neighbor girl's new puppy. She said no, so he went home, got the family shotgun, came back and shot the eight year old in the chest, killing her.

[GUT]

You'll hate the latest story I heard today, out of Tennessee. An eleven year old boy asked to play with the neighbor girl's new puppy. She said no, so he went home, got the family shotgun, came back and shot the eight year old in the chest, killing her.

Heard about that yesterday shocking.

Isn't there even a requirement to keep guns locked away.

[DirectorDave]

Hello, DirectorDave.
I understand, and agree with you. Please don't think every person in the USA carries a firearm around, or owns them. I don't, most of my friends and family don't, and I live in a fair-sized city near the capitol of Colorado.

The second Amendment is part of the Constitution of the United States, along with nine others called the Bill of Rights. It was written in the 18th century, when most European nations prohibited the "common man" from bearing weapons of any kind. I think our forefathers knew we were small, weak, surrounded on all sides by enemies and wilderness, and knew we needed a militia.

That's fine, but times have changed. We have police and military now. We've survived a couple hundred years of history. We do our best to make right the wrongs we've done to others, belated as it may be. This idea that we must mistrust our government and resist all attempts to control guns is stupid. We're just saying use common sense about what is available and to whom, not melt them all down.

You'll hate the latest story I heard today, out of Tennessee. An eleven year old boy asked to play with the neighbor girl's new puppy. She said no, so he went home, got the family shotgun, came back and shot the eight year old in the chest, killing her.

Hi PC,

I was aware of that shooting, but didn't read past the headline...awful stuff.

I'm sure there are plenty of people in the US who share my views, and don't have guns...but there are more guns in the US than people...and those are the legally owned ones.

Not sure of the figures for the last few years, but in 2010 almost twice as many people in the US commited suicide by gun, than people who were murdered by it.

Hommicide rate by guns in the US...60%

This year alone up till Oct 1st...

294 Mass shootings (4 or more people shot).
45 Shootings at Schools.
9,956 Deaths by gun.
20,000 injured in gun incidents.

Nearly 20 years ago, just 20 miles down the road from me 16 kids and a teacher lost their lives at a School shooting...we banned handguns and automatic weapons...having lived so close to a tragedy I just can't comprehend how anyone would put words written on a peice of paper by a bunch of dead guys ahead of living, breathing children.

You are the nation that walked on another world...I refuse to believe it's impossible for the US to change hearts and minds and rid your nation of the implements that have caused all those dreadful statistics above.

Guns don't make a nation...people do.

[GUT]

Hi PC,

Nearly 20 years ago, just 20 miles down the road from me 16 kids and a teacher lost their lives at a School shooting...we banned handguns and automatic weapons...having lived so close to a tragedy I just can't comprehend how anyone would put words written on a peice of paper by a bunch of dead guys ahead of living, breathing children.

Similar here after Port Arthur Massacre with 30+ killed by one idiot, a somewhat unpopular Prime Minister won an election largely based on the Gun But Back and banning certain weapons.

[Pcdunn]

Heard about that yesterday shocking.

Isn't there even a requirement to keep guns locked away.

Yes, it is recommended, but not everyone does it. Gun laws vary from state to state. I've discussed this topic on an American forum, and people say, bad guys will get weapons anyway, good parents teach their kids to respect guns, knives kill people too, I like to hunt, or target shoot in competitions, etc., etc.,
And some say controlling the guns is the first step to taking them all away.

I don't understand...