Ex-Nazi "Bookkeeper of Auschwitz" Asks for 'Forgiveness'

[Errata]

Yes, Unit 731. The Japanese scientists performed all kinds of abominable experiments on the prisoners. They would rape and impregnate prisoners just to dissect the babies, inject subjects with diseases, and conduct weapon tests on human targets. And like you say, the senior scientists were all secretly pardoned by the United States in exchange for the research. I never even knew about it until a friend of mine mentioned it in passing some years back. I very much doubt it's part of the history curriculum either. Same goes for the Holodomor, the man-made genocide of millions of Ukrainian farmers and their families by Stalinist Russia. Where are the voices for those victims? Why is it the Holocaust that dominates our media? Why is the trial of some 90-odd year old ex-Nazi headline news? The Zionist lobby, that's why.

Sometime people use a racial code word, and I don't know if they meant to, and this is one of those times. There is no Zionist lobby. Hasn't been one since 1948. Because the sole aim of Zionism was to create a homeland for Jews in the Land of Israel. Done. The only Zionism that still exists today is the organization that helps persecuted Jews escape and settle in Israel. The Yemeni Jews, The Ethiopian Jews, etc. And I'm positive that's not what you're talking about. So when you hear about a "Zionist lobby", a "Zionist regime", a "Zionist plot", they don't mean Zionism. And they know that they don't mean Zionism. They mean "filthy Kiikes". Almost every single time. They just don't want to come off as racist.

Either you didn't know, or you in fact meant "those damn Jews". Your business either way, but if you were trying to use the phrase in some respectful way, I figure someone should probably point that out to you so you don't accidentally bust that phrase out when dining with a rabbi. If it was not meant to be respectful, then never mind.

The reason everyone focuses on the Holocaust is because it was the first time there was a white genocide. It was not the first genocide (lost to history), it was not the worst genocide (Communist China). It was the first in modern history with white victims, and the first to be filmed and popularly distributed. It is the genocide most meticulously documented by the perpetrators. By 1970, it was estimated that every American had seen a picture or film or had met a Holocaust survivor. And that was probably true into the mid 90s, it's estimated that today only about 70% of Americans could point to a picture of a Holocaust survivor and identify it. Mostly because it is no longer taught in most schools.

And if other genocides were regularly remembered or taught, then maybe it wouldn't so bad if the Holocaust faded out of the public eye. But they aren't. A schoolchild in the United States has four or more genocides that could be taught as a part of US History. We don't teach them. And we don't cover them in World History either. Kids don't know this exists. I have one 14 year old niece here in Tennessee and another 14 year old niece in New Jersey, and neither had heard the term until a few months ago. They can now tell you that the Holocaust and the Killing Fields were both genocides, but they probably can't tell you where they happened or who was targeted. And likely would identify a dead Tutsi as a victim of the Holocaust.

So the Jews said "Never forget" and I think that's a good policy. It doesn't have to be the Holocaust. I think Jews have that covered. Remember that genocide exists. That war criminals exist, and are out there. That there are war crimes for a reason, and it's generally a good one. Remember that justice for one man or one group doesn't take away the need for justice for all. Nor does that justice denigrate those who have not yet received justice. Remember that humans should not be fans of genocide. Should not turn a blind eye. Encourage the country to actually decide what is going to be our course of action in the event of rape and murder and torture on an unspeakable scale, and then stick to it even if the sufferers are white or sitting on oil (prepare to be disappointed). Remember Holodomor. Build a museum, a wall, wear a t shirt. Teach people about it and command them to never let it happen again. Since we aren't getting the message on genocide by ONLY remembering the Holocaust, it's not like the help won't be welcome. We still have half a dozen genocides currently taking place in the world this very minute, so by all means jump in. It's a bit of an "All hands on deck" situation out there.

[Fleetwood Mac]

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c.d.

I think people should be held accountable for their crimes, always.

So, if you're now 96 and you were involved in murder then you should never see the light of day again. Justice should be served. No questions asked about things such as age.

By the same token, if you were a bookkeeper you weren't party to a murder/or mass murder. You were a bookkeeper. No charge to answer.

There is no room for emotion in a court of law, and I prefer the American way where the stand true to the principle of a life for a life. But writing in books is not a crime, nor can it ever be crime by association in a reasonable world.

Any of these people actually involved in mass murder should hang. It is not the duty of the law abiding to fund these people's existence.

[Fleetwood Mac]

I think people should be held accountable for their crimes, always.

So, if you're now 96 and you were involved in murder then you should never see the light of day again. Justice should be served. No questions asked about things such as age.

By the same token, if you were a bookkeeper you weren't party to a murder/or mass murder. You were a bookkeeper. No charge to answer.

There is no room for emotion in a court of law, and I prefer the American way where the stand true to the principle of a life for a life. But writing in books is not a crime, nor can it ever be crime by association in a reasonable world.

Any of these people actually involved in mass murder should hang. It is not the duty of the law abiding to fund these people's existence.

Right, more a guard than a bookkeeper, but the point stands.

If guilty of murdering people then hang him in my book. If a guard, with no involvement in any murder or violence, supported by evidence, then I fail to see how and why he has committed a crime.

[pinkmoon]

Give him a fair trial find him gulity or very guilty and then deal with him appropriately maybe take him round a few schools and let him explain why he thought it was a good idea to get involved in what he did or stick him on a plane bound for israel or maybe just take him outside and shoot him.

[Fleetwood Mac]

I think people should be held accountable for their crimes, always.

So, if you're now 96 and you were involved in murder then you should never see the light of day again. Justice should be served. No questions asked about things such as age.

By the same token, if you were a bookkeeper you weren't party to a murder/or mass murder. You were a bookkeeper. No charge to answer.

There is no room for emotion in a court of law, and I prefer the American way where the stand true to the principle of a life for a life. But writing in books is not a crime, nor can it ever be crime by association in a reasonable world.

Any of these people actually involved in mass murder should hang. It is not the duty of the law abiding to fund these people's existence.

What does the US have to be ashamed for recruiting Nazi rocket scientists after the war? The Soviet U "recruited" Nazi scientists too.

I'm not ashamed of anything we did in the entire history of the cold war. Nothing. I'm just glad we won. And I continue to donate $ to get the Jews out of Russia.

Because it not over, not really.

Roy

I would disagree with this. It really matters to have principles, and an amoral world is one not really worth living in.

For a country with such high ideals, particularly at its inception, and with such a proud history; I would have thought the Americans would be steeped in a tradition of wanting to do the right thing - more than most countries.

In the event your goal is to succeed at all costs, then that is a complete disregard for principles, and if you don't have principles there is no satisfaction in 'winning'.

[Amanda]

Just a comment for Roy,

America did not win World War II. It was a joint effort of the allied countries.

Just thought as a Brit I should make that point.

Amanda

[GUT]

Just a comment for Roy,

America did not win World War II. It was a joint effort of the allied countries.

Just thought as a Brit I should make that point.

Amanda

Except Roy was referencing the Cold War.

[Errata]

Except Roy was referencing the Cold War.

And in one of those instances where a reasonably intelligent person risks sounding incredibly stupid...

Was Britain not part of the Cold War as well? France does what it will, Germany was otherwise occupied (literally) and Spain doesn't care. But the US, England, and Canada tend to work as a team. Especially when Canada got rid of like 3/4 of their military because they knew we had it covered, and you know, Go Team. Possibly the most brilliant use of a neighbor in world history.

[Graham]

I'm not ashamed of anything we did in the entire history of the cold war

Does that include the Bay Of Pigs?

Graham

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes it does Graham. The only problem with Bay of Pigs is it didn't work.

My high school Spanish teacher was a PhD from the U of Havana who had to leave there. So I learned the truth about Cuba early on.

Roy

[Fleetwood Mac]

Just a comment for Roy,

America did not win World War II. It was a joint effort of the allied countries.

Just thought as a Brit I should make that point.

Amanda

That may be true, but all the same in the West the United States was the senior partner.

England at this point was like an old dog full of pride but lacking the resources of the younger, hungrier dogs.

I think it is to our credit that despite the odds stacked against us we kept our heads above water, and I think we're at our best when we're on the defensive.

The most interesting thing I have ever come across is how we had such an empire when it is a typical English trait to want to grow potatoes or flowers in the back garden and generally aspire to such modest ambitions.

We were never really cut out for war. And, in the days when war was very amateurish we did well because it suited us, but once it became professional we were out of our depth because we're pretty much a people who still believe in amateur values to this day.

[Robert]

I am not of course demeaning the sacrifices of my own country or of the Americans and other countries, but it has to be said that the country that did the most to defeat Germany was the Soviet Union, though it seems to get little credit for it.

[Graham]

So I learned the truth about Cuba early on

Which was?

Graham

[Graham]

[QUOTE=Fleetwood Mac;338002]

That may be true, but all the same in the West the United States was the senior partner.

The USA had the (initially dormant) manufacturing capacity, but only really became the 'senior partner' at the end of WW2.

England at this point was like an old dog full of pride but lacking the resources of the younger, hungrier dogs.

In 1939, the USA was quite happy being the big country on the other side of the Atlantic from Europe. It had a very small standing army, hardly anything in the way of an air-force, but did have a reasonably large and effective navy. It really just wanted to be left alone in peace and leave war to those nasty Europeans who couldn't keep their greasy hands off each other.

I think it is to our credit that despite the odds stacked against us we kept our heads above water, and I think we're at our best when we're on the defensive.

I think if you read a modern appraisal of WW2, you will understand that although we had our backs to the wall during the first couple of years, after about 1942 we were most definitely not on the defensive.

The most interesting thing I have ever come across is how we had such an empire when it is a typical English trait to want to grow potatoes or flowers in the back garden and generally aspire to such modest ambitions.

This is just silly.

We were never really cut out for war. And, in the days when war was very amateurish we did well because it suited us, but once it became professional we were out of our depth because we're pretty much a people who still believe in amateur values to this day.

This is nearly as silly. Perhaps you might explain precisely when war ceased to be amateurish and became professional? I'm thinking, for example, of the 1000 bomber raids on Germany. Does that strike you as amateurish?

Graham

[Fleetwood Mac]

I am not of course demeaning the sacrifices of my own country or of the Americans and other countries, but it has to be said that the country that did the most to defeat Germany was the Soviet Union, though it seems to get little credit for it.

The truth is that for much of the war the Russians were an absolute shambles.

Yes, they bore the brunt of the German forces, of course they did, because the West was only ever a defensive war in a bid to prevent a war on two fronts so that the Germans could get down to business in the East.

But, the two biggest encirclements of an army in history occurred on the Eastern Front and that was the surrender of upwards of 600,000 Russian soldiers at Kiev and then again West of Moscow. They also simply ran away in inordinate numbers at the outbreak of war.

No one seems to like to give the Americans their dues and so everyone is quick to shout the Russians won the war, except they were hopeless for large spells.

Only when the Germans had overstretched themselves did they begin to make their numerical superiority count.

The Russians were nothing special, the re-writing of history has completely over-rated their capabilities.