School Nurse Refused to Treat Student Who Didn't Stand for Pledge of Allegiance

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%E2%80%9Coverzealous-dangerous-patriotism%E2%80%9D-school-nurse-refused-to-treat-student-who-didn%E2%80%99t-stand-for-pledge-of-allegiance/ar-AAaXpIv

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[GUT]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%E2...nce/ar-AAaXpIv

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Not sure what I think about this one.

[Steadmund Brand]

I know what I think.. this nurse should not only be fired but arrested...see here is the thing.....she does NOT have the right not to refuse treatment to a student.. that is her job.... and what someone in the "healthcare" field signs up for....a person’s personal beliefs do not matter when it comes to medical treatment.......Do I agree with the student who does not want to stand, no, I don't, but that is her right... and the great thing about freedom is that she has that right and cannot (or should not) be judged by it, we don't know how accurate this report is, plus we don't know why the child refused to say the pledge.. not that it matters..

I love my country, and I say the pledge when it is spoken, but what I love most about my country is that the person next to me who doesn't want to say it doesn't have too....

Steadmund Brand

[YankeeSergeant]

She is a nurse in name only. I agree wholeheartedly with you Steadmund!

[c.d.]

I guess I am an old softy but I think I would just give her a serious reprimand and make it clear that if she pulls anything like this again then she will be fired on the spot. I would also make her apologize to the student.

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[GUT]

She is clearly n the wrong job, but I struggle between the right of the kd not to stand and the right of the nurse to say I'm not treating you.


YES she should loose her job, but what then.

[c.d.]

Hello GUT,

The thing is she was hired and paid her salary to treat the students at her school and not paid to treat only students she approves of. She gave up any rights when she cashed her check.

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[GUT]

Hello GUT,

The thing is she was hired and paid her salary to treat the students at her school and not paid to treat only students she approves of. She gave up any rights when she cashed her check.

c.d.

That's why I said she should loose her job.

[kensei]

I guess I am an old softy but I think I would just give her a serious reprimand and make it clear that if she pulls anything like this again then she will be fired on the spot. I would also make her apologize to the student.

c.d.

Making her apologize would only be making her lie because she's not sorry, and I personally find lying to be just as offensive as what she did.

My other comment on this story would be about how I feel about the Pledge of Allegiance in schools. This was apparently an older student who is mature enough to decide how she feels about it, but what bothers me is the very young little kids who are made to stand and recite it. "Just say this," they are told, and they do it not because of how they feel about America but because they're taught to do whatever adults tell them to do. Making kids do something as serious as pledging their allegiance when they're not old enough to have the vaguest conception of what that even means is something I find quite disturbing. And it's not as if it's some kind of legally binding thing anyway, like swearing to tell the truth in court. It's not as if should they say something against the government in later years they can be charged with treason because they pledged their allegiance back in grade school.

[Robert]

As it was an atheist group who complained, does that mean that the student was asked to take the oath, rather than an affirmation?

[Steadmund Brand]

It's funny, My brother is a staunch atheist, and we were out one night at a local cigar shop (yes we are those disgusting cigar smokers) and the topic of religion came up, and when he was asked his views he let it be known that he was an atheist and that he has no problem with others being believers, but just don’t try to convert him….and one person there actually said to him… “so, you’re an Atheist…so that means you hate America and you hate freedom”, we just looked at each other confused and the person went on to explain “America is a Christian nation, and if you are not a Christian then you hate America and you hate freedom” … now this is what scares me…there are people out there who truly believe this, it really makes you wonder, they talk about “freedom” but do they even understand what that word means???

Steadmund Brand

[Ally]

As it was an atheist group who complained, does that mean that the student was asked to take the oath, rather than an affirmation?

What is the correlation between it being an atheist group, and the distinction between taking the oath and the affirmation?

[Robert]

Well as I understand it, the oath includes the words 'so help me god' or some such, whereas an affirmation makes no mention of a deity. So I was wondering if the student was refusing to take the oath, and hadn't been offered the affirmation, and that's what got the atheists involved.

[Errata]

You know what has always sort of blown my mind of this issue? You have to take the oath of allegiance to become an American once. Just once. If you were to take an oath of fealty to a Lord, you do that once. Hell even if you convert to Judaism you only have to say it once. And I'm told the same holds true for most other religions that allow conversion.

So why the hell are we pledging allegiance primarily to an inanimate object and secondarily to the country itself, and thirdly "to the Republic for it stands" whatever that means (because it's pretty nonsensical) every damn day of our lives? Do they think we didn't mean it the first 10 times, 800 times, 41,263 times? At what point does society accept the fact that we mean it? That we are generally loyal to this country. White protestants apparently don't get looked at funny on this, but the rest of us do. And it's a bitch move. Because now the pledge isn't a pledge. It's a societal test. Where the consequences of failure tend to be violent. It's a ******* flag. It's not magic. Nor is the pledge. We have no choice but to assume basic loyalty, and no pledge is going to bind someone to that loyalty if they choose otherwise.

[Ally]

No the Pledge was amended sometime in the 50's I think, maybe 60's and now includes the words 'one nation, under god, indivisible' instead of what it formerly stated which was "one nation indivisible".