USA Election Poll 2024

[GBinOz]

The US Constitution was written in the wake of the French Revolution. The Founders had a fear of mob rule and mob violence. Also, historical republics had been oligarchic republics. The US Constitution was more of a democratic republic and has reduced the oligarchic elements over time.

Hi Fiver,

With all due respect, the Constitution and the Electoral College was contrived by the rich land and slave owners to preserve their wealth and power. They had good reason to fear the French revolution whereby the obscene excesses of the ruling classes were challenged by those living in abject poverty.

I think that the American equivalent of Oligarch is Corporate CEO, and the transfer of wealth to the few from the many is an indictment on the American (and Australian) system of government.

Cheers, George

[Enigma]

I also struggle to see the allocation of two senators from each state, regardless of population, to be incongruous with the principles of democracy.

Cheers, George

Hi George,

We have the same system in Australia with each state having the same number of Senators ( 12) so that the smaller States are treated equally and can't be overridden by the larger States. The exception is the NT and ACT each have only two Senators.

As for the USA, to me it seems that it would be more democratic if there was uniformity in every State how the Electoral College members are selected.

Regards, Gazza

[Fiver]

Hi Lewis C,

So, Trump and.....Bush Jnr?

I find the concept that the electoral college members selected by voting can be replaced by alternative delegates selected by individuals to be far from democratic procedure. I also struggle to see the allocation of two senators from each state, regardless of population, to be incongruous with the principles of democracy.

Cheers, George

Individual States can choose how they select members of Electoral College. In the early days, they were often selected by the state legislatures. The alternate electors scheme that Trump tried was an illegal attempt to subvert the election. The two Senators per state was an attempt to balance concerns of the small states.

The US Constitution was written in the wake of the French Revolution. The Founders had a fear of mob rule and mob violence. Also, historical republics had been oligarchic republics. The US Constitution was more of a democratic republic and has reduced the oligarchic elements over time.

[GBinOz]

Hi George,

I'm in favor of replacing the electoral college with the popular vote, but I think that it has only happened twice in about the last 130 years that the winner of the election wasn't the same person who won the popular vote.

Hi Lewis C,

So, Trump and.....Bush Jnr?

I find the concept that the electoral college members selected by voting can be replaced by alternative delegates selected by individuals to be far from democratic procedure. I also struggle to see the allocation of two senators from each state, regardless of population, to be incongruous with the principles of democracy.

Cheers, George

[Lewis C]

Hi Jon,

As a fellow outsider (from Australia) I would proffer an unbiased comment on American "democratic elections"??:

"Hysterical laughter... Electoral College....hysterical laughter.

Cheers, George

Hi George,

I'm in favor of replacing the electoral college with the popular vote, but I think that it has only happened twice in about the last 130 years that the winner of the election wasn't the same person who won the popular vote.

[Wickerman]

Hi Jon,

As a fellow outsider (from Australia) I would proffer an unbiased comment on American "democratic elections"??:

"Hysterical laughter... Electoral College....hysterical laughter.

Cheers, George

The whole political structure in the U.S., U.K. and many European countries is corrupt.

[GBinOz]

And....he said he would accept the outcome, regardless who wins....provided it was an honest election.

Hi Jon,

As a fellow outsider (from Australia) I would proffer an unbiased comment on American "democratic elections"??:

"Hysterical laughter... Electoral College....hysterical laughter.

Cheers, George

[GBinOz]

And....he said he would accept the outcome, regardless who wins....provided it was an honest election.

Cheers, George

[Fiver]

"Why would Trump support Israel when he hasn't supported anyone else?"

Because they are fighting wars against muslims which one of Trump's pet projects.

Building the border wall was one of Trump's pet projects. He couldn't even get the money out of a Republican majority Congress.

An infrastructure bill was one of Trump's pet projects. Trump failed. Biden delivered.

Making the US less dependent on foreign semiconductors was one of Trump's pet projects. Trump failed. Biden delivered.

Reducing drug prices was one of Trump's pet projects. Trump failed. Biden delivered.

Being a pet project of Trump's means nothing. When he even tries, he usually fails.

[Lewis C]

Israel is different from Afghanistan in that supporting them doesn't require troop commitment, just that we supply them with weapons, which Biden is doing. I don't see much difference between Biden and Trump on Israeli policy, with the primary difference being that Biden might make a muted criticism of some of Bibi's worst excesses, while Trump is likely to be OK with anything Bibi does.

[c.d.]

Of course he will be the one to decide if it was honest.

He is already sowing the seeds. At a recent rally he stated the last election was stolen and the Democrats are planning on doing it again.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

much more difficult question due to the vagaries of the electoral college. I prefer to deal in predictable facts, like vote counts

But I will also predict that Trump will say he won.

And....he said he would accept the outcome, regardless who wins....provided it was an honest election.

[Wickerman]

... Why would Trump support Israel when he hasn't supported anyone else?

It isn't a question of 'why would?', he already does, and he hates Muslims (911?).
Trump does understand that Israel is America's front line, as is the case for the West (Europe), but a number of European politicians are too stupid, or self centered, to realize this.
As much as I despise Trump, the alternate is too concerning to think about.

[Ms Diddles]

I'd vote for you, Ms D!

I haven't voted in this one because I don't believe in opinion polls. They don't represent all those of us who don't take part.

I know, that's about as logical as saying I don't believe in astrology because we Aquarians are above all that bollox.

Love,

Caz
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Thanks Caz!

We could form a Government of cat ladies (as despised by J.D. Vance)!

To be fair, I'm an Aquarian too and we are indeed above all that bollox!!

[Fiver]

"Why would Trump support Israel when he hasn't supported anyone else?"

Because they are fighting wars against muslims which one of Trump's pet projects.

The Kurds were fighting Muslim extremists. Trump still betrayed them. Trump betrays everyone. Why would he make an exception for Israel?