Survey/Intro

[Abby Normal]

omg i love this! im fascinated by the english accents. i can totally understand cockney no problem and its hilarious but I swear when the royals speak im like what?!? lol

btw imho the welsh accent is so beautiful..sounds like elves singing .

[Fleetwood Mac]

btw imho the welsh accent is so beautiful..sounds like elves singing

All of the accents and dialect of regions of Britain are weird and wonderful. I agree on the Welsh accent. By the way, there is a noticeable difference between North Wales and South Wales.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It’s interesting how someone can either pick up or lose (at least partially) an accent. I remember when I was younger my brother went to live for 6 months with his new girlfriends family in Swansea and we were surprised how quickly he picked up so much of the accent. I think it would be sad if accents completely died out but I’m wondering if this might eventually happen? I still have an accent but it’s nowhere near as strong as my parents or grandparents. It sounds like so many kids today speak in a kind of approved accent. Where the word ‘like’ is pronounced ‘lake.’

Most annoying language trait at the moment……it probably doesn’t irritate others as much as it irritates me but…..people who begin every sentence with “so!” Where has that come from?

An example of old phrases for you. I have an 85 year old aunt who is my late father’s twin. Every so often instead of just saying “road” she’ll say “hoss road.” Like….”he was standing in the middle of the hoss road.” You’ve probably guessed that it means “horse road.” And no, we don’t live in a kind of Amish community. My dad used to use the phrase too.

I might move this to another thread?

[Fleetwood Mac]

Ms Diddles,

The easiest 'tell' for a Maccum (apart from the one eye instead of two and the high likelihood they married their sibling) is the truly ghastly way they talk.

Ms Diddles will know who the Geordies are because they cannot get through a sentence without mentioning Sunderland and Mackems. They're absolutely obsessed with all things Sunderland.

They could be talking about Garibaldi's unification of Italy and they'll find a way to crowbar Sunderland and Mackems into the conversation. Not that Geordies would know anything about Garibaldi, given that they're pretty much uniformly knackers and thicker than mince.

In fact, the biggest mystery in this case is why no Geordie observer has claimed that Jack the Ripper must have been a Mackem.

[Ms Diddles]

Ms Diddles will know who the Geordies are because they cannot get through a sentence without mentioning Sunderland and Mackems. They're absolutely obsessed with all things Sunderland.

They could be talking about Garibaldi's unification of Italy and they'll find a way to crowbar Sunderland and Mackems into the conversation. Not that Geordies would know anything about Garibaldi, given that they're pretty much uniformly knackers and thicker than mince.

In fact, the biggest mystery in this case is why no Geordie observer has claimed that Jack the Ripper must have been a Mackem.

Oh, there's still time for that FM!

[Pcdunn]

I don’t know if anyone will respond but I thought I’d give it a go. Twelve questions.

1. Location (country will do but if you want, you could add your country of birth too if you want to)
2. How did you first discover the case?
3. What was the first book(s) that you read on the case?
4. If you had to pick a number what would be your choice as the likeliest number of victims?
5. Of the named suspects which, if any, do you think are the likeliest?
6. This has been asked on another thread but….if you could be given the answer to one particular aspect of the case (not who did it) what would you choose?
7. If you had the opportunity to question one of the witnesses in the case who would you choose?
8. Is there any important aspect of the case that you’ve changed your mind about of the years?
9. Do you have any pet hates about the case or how we look at it?
10. How likely/unlikely do you think it is that the case will ever be solved?
11. What books would you recommend to someone new to the case?
12. Is there anyone in the case that you feel might be worth closer investigation as a possible suspect?

1. Living in Colorado (suburb of Denver); born and raised in southern California.
2. Couple of things in my youth: Seeing an episode of the original "Star Trek" series, "Wolf in the Fold" in which an entity that lived on "hatred of women" possessed some folks and murdered people at a space outpost. Also, in the 1970s seeing "In Search of..." (with Leonard Nimoy), their Jack the Ripper episode (where I learned the name!)
3. Probably a book by Fido or Rumbelow.
4. At least 5, maybe more? Don't go as far as including Thames Torso csses.
5. My earliest suspect choice was Druitt. Currently am more sure who isn't a viable suspect than who is.
6. What's up with Kelly being reported alive after her supposed time of dismemberment?
7. Mrs. Maxwell.
8. Can't think of one aspect I've changed my mind on. Do go back and forth on the Maybrick "diary".
9. I dislike the tendency to pick a historical celebrity and attempt to frame him as JtR, often based on "clues" left behind in artwork or writings. Or as some sort of desire to prove a relationship to a famous serial killer.
10. Very unlikely this case will be fully solved.
11. "Ultimate Sourcebook", books by Fido, Begg, Rumbelow. Just got the Sourcebook recently, noted there was a supposed Ripper Letter from 1896! More to add to my fascination with the letters.
12. Anyone we can prove was in London at the time of the murders.

[Fantomas]

Yeah, Barn is here and I think we have Fantomas too.

So, as far as I'm aware the Glasgow contingent stands at four.

One more and we could start a five a side team!

Present!

[Herlock Sholmes]

1. Living in Colorado (suburb of Denver); born and raised in southern California.
2. Couple of things in my youth: Seeing an episode of the original "Star Trek" series, "Wolf in the Fold" in which an entity that lived on "hatred of women" possessed some folks and murdered people at a space outpost. Also, in the 1970s seeing "In Search of..." (with Leonard Nimoy), their Jack the Ripper episode (where I learned the name!)
3. Probably a book by Fido or Rumbelow.
4. At least 5, maybe more? Don't go as far as including Thames Torso csses.
5. My earliest suspect choice was Druitt. Currently am more sure who isn't a viable suspect than who is.
6. What's up with Kelly being reported alive after her supposed time of dismemberment?
7. Mrs. Maxwell.
8. Can't think of one aspect I've changed my mind on. Do go back and forth on the Maybrick "diary".
9. I dislike the tendency to pick a historical celebrity and attempt to frame him as JtR, often based on "clues" left behind in artwork or writings. Or as some sort of desire to prove a relationship to a famous serial killer.
10. Very unlikely this case will be fully solved.
11. "Ultimate Sourcebook", books by Fido, Begg, Rumbelow. Just got the Sourcebook recently, noted there was a supposed Ripper Letter from 1896! More to add to my fascination with the letters.
12. Anyone we can prove was in London at the time of the murders.

Thanks for that Pat.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Present!

I just noticed that of the four things that you mention in your biog only ‘Glaswegian’ doesn’t apply to me.

[Losmandris]

Thanks Tristan!

That's interesting.

I very much doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between a brummie and a black country accent, so everyone from that region is now a Yam Yam to me (although not in an insulting way obvs)!

Will research this Bathams bitter.

If it's the world's finest ale, it's something that I need to know about. Now!

You really should. A truly amazing drink. Though alas I think you will only find it in and around Birmingham. There are just six Bathams pubs and then only a few free houses dotted about that serve it on Draft. You can find bottles of it but it is in no way as good as it is on draft. I'm back home in a couple of weeks and will certainly be sampling a couple of pints if the opportunity presents itself!