Texas manhunt for man who shot 4 adults 1 child when asked to quit firing his AR-15

[Pcdunn]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/30/us/cleveland-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html

They just asked him to tone it down so their baby could sleep. The man came over, brought his weapon, and shot 5 people execution -style. Four adults died at the scene, and an eight-year-old boy died at the hospital. Family was from Honduras, well-regarded by neighbors.
Shooter was from Mexico City. He was apparently shooting the AR-15 on his front lawn, as Texans are wont to do.
Horrible event.

[Pcdunn]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/us/cleveland-texas-neighbor-shooting-monday/index.html

The shooter of five people in Cleveland, Texas, was a Mexican citizen who had been deported from the United States four times. He is still eluding police and other law enforcement officers. (I wonder if this guy has drug cartel connections?)

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

I read a few sources for this article, but the report on Breitbart was interesting. As that site is wont to do, the headline read "Mexican Migrant kills five".

The comments section however, if one cares to wade in the mire, is a fascinating insight into right wing America. This incident reinforces the view that Americans need guns. The shooter was an immigrant, may well have owned the gun illegally, and if criminals have access to guns, the good people need them too, to protect themselves and other good people from criminals with guns. Pretty simple. But, they also like to bang the drum for 'an armed society is a safe society'. Acts like this fly in the face of that argument and force them to accept, they need guns because it's not a safe society at all. Because of all the guns, the millions of guns that if decent honest folk are denied, dishonest folk will still have, in huge numbers. It's interesting to see the balancing act of constitutional right, the safer society idea and the reality that without guns, they don't feel safe. Probably easier to focus on the illegal immigration aspect...

[Pcdunn]

I've seen an opinion piece saying that Texas governor Abbott coldly felt the victims were "illegal immigrants" (the family was from Honduras, from which many sanctuary seekers are admitted legally to the States) and therefore perhaps not that important.
The sheriff leading the search told a reporter on television, "I don't care if they're legal or illegal, they're dead. Five dead people in my county, and I want to get that shooter."

The opinion piece noted that Abbott had tweeted that he was disappointed that Texas ranked only second in gun sales throughout the state, and advised his followers to "get to the gun stores, everyone!"

Sigh... I've recently watched the series "Succession" and am reminded of the term "no RPI" used by the wealthy people and companies for "no real people involved" when one of the ordinary folk (like waiters or tourists) unfortunately get killed or fall off the cruise ship. Apparently Republicans are of the same mindset.

[rjpalmer]

The shooter was an immigrant, may well have owned the gun illegally, and if criminals have access to guns, the good people need them too, to protect themselves and other good people from criminals with guns. Pretty simple...

It's difficult to argue against this, considering the recent epidemic of Hispanic mass shooters:

[Pcdunn]

That ginger headed fellow looks particularly nasty!

I remember when the Ulvade school massacre happened, also in Texas, and I had the suspicion that the cops held back because the majority of the school's student body had Spanish surnames. That, thankfully, has never been brought up, it seems to have been just a lot of miscommunication and boneheaded milling about. But many cops and other law enforcement people are flat out bigots.

Edited to add: Most of those *white* mass murderers depicted above are confirmed to have purchased their guns legally.

[Pcdunn]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/us/cleveland-texas-shooting-fransisco-oropesa-arrest-wednesday/index.html

Two others were also arrested for aiding the fugitive, more may be also detained. Apparently no cartel connections. just family and friends. They say his wife contacted cousins to help the shooter flee to Mexico, but they refused her request.