Private sale

[Ally]

I have already discussed the unused article but I will restate the issues in due course. Briefly if the unused article is genuine then I believe that the Kosminski line was there in 1981.

Actually you haven't. You have said two things, now basically that the evidence that points to the maginalia being real were "convenient" (the shaky handwriting) and that there is a motive for the article being faked. You have not in anyway shape or form provided any logical evidence as to what precisely indicates the article could be a fake.

What precisely are the facts that point to the article having been faked? Who would possibly have done this and for what reason? What would have been the gain in an entire article, 12 pages worth, being faked? As it would not have been possible that Jim Swanson could have faked this entire article, who would have done it and why?

You have not actually discussed the article. You have just stated it could be faked. I can point fingers at everything under the sun and cry "fake!"; that's not discussing it that's making an unsupported claim.

[Robert]

For convenience of non-subscribers, here is Adam's article which is publicly available online :

http://www.ripperologist.biz/backissues/ripperologist128.pdf

[Trevor Marriott]

He isn't claiming it. As you refuse you back it up I take it you just made it up to suit your purpose .As that seems to be the case with this, its possible I guess that its a habit you have ...

Again you and several others always resort to personal abuse criticisms when someone posts something which may just have an element of truth behind it in an effort deflect from it.

And you talk about my habits take a look at you own habits.

[Ally]

I appreciate that Robert. Every time I have needed to refer to it, I have been stumped as the computer that houses it is in my guest room which is currently occupied. That'll be helpful.

[Robert]

You're welcome, Ally.

Lechmere, if you are saying that the Sandell memo and draft article, together with the phrase "Kosminski was the suspect," could all have been forged, then I ask : why would the forger (to turn around Simon's argument) have failed to include "Kosminski was the suspect" in the draft article? This was the very phrase that the forger would have lavished so much time and care on, with practice runs etc - remember, when dealing with a unique object there are no second attempts, and evidence of rubbing out would have been seized upon. And why would the forger have included scraps of handwriting in the draft, thereby exposing the draft to future comparisons with Sandell's handwriting? Or are you suggesting that one person could have forged "Kosminski was the suspect" but a second person forged the draft article?

[Rubyretro]

I am interested by the fact that I believe that it said in the Ripperologist article that Jim and brother Donald discovered the annotations in the book together.

This was before the effects were divided up, and when they had been taken to Jim's house for safekeeping.

It also says somewhere that the Family had to buy the items of Aunt Lal (?) which they wanted to keep, from the Estate.

The executor of the Will was Jim Swanson, and so presumably he was the person responsible for having the items valued.

In a letter to the Telegraph 3rd Oct 1987 :

[B]" In 1981, my Aunt, the last of my grand fathers surviving children died. As her executor I came into possession of my grand fathers notes on the Whitechapel murders."
Jim Swanson


According to Mary Berkin he put no value on on the Anderson book nor DSS
documents.

Jim had been a highly successful business man and he was not stupid about the worth of something. I don't believe that there are so many annotations in the book that they could not have been read. He knew that the annotations were there -could he have been so devoid of curiosity that he didn't read them ?

They might have been small and faint, but he was a man who's speciality was skinning and tanning frogs and mice -he was used to minute delicate work.

I am very puzzled as to how Jim thought the book was without value in 1981
if it contained the information that it does now. And why after 'coming into possession' of it, he subsequently had it insured for £ 7,000. It seems to have increased in value pretty quickly !

[Jenni Shelden]

Again Trevor you mention it several times in what way has Chris got a close relationship with the Swansons? Or are you going to admit this isn't the case .

[Jenni Shelden]

Incidently, that was not a personal insult .I am starting to feel an attempt to bully me is coming into play with people saying such things as this or that I am aggressive. But these kind of suggestions don't put me off asking people to back up statements they want to throw around at people without merit.

[Roy Corduroy]

To Chris Phillips
From Roy Corduroy

Chris I appreciate how you have shared your research finds with us on the Casebook message boards, and in you freely assisting other researchers as well.

You obviously have the mental capacity for this type of work. And you have shared with us items and information from the families of people involved in these long ago events. Such as Swanson and Lawende. Because of your knowledge and interpretive skills, you always present your information to us in a straightforward manner. Which allows the individual to reach any conclusions they might have.

I don't know you. But obviously you have good comportment when dealing with family members. Or anyone for that matter. You gain trust because you can be trusted. What you see is what you get.

Don't stoop, Chris. To anything. You are one of the shining jewels of this whole Ripper study group. Stay at the top. Don't waller in the mud please.

Thanks again and keep up the good work. We out here are certainly benefitting from your work. And enjoying it too.

Roy

[Rubyretro]

Nobody has deigned to reply to my genuine question as to why, if the Kosminski stuff was present when Donald and Jim discovered the annotations, was no value put on the book at the division of the Estate ?

Jim was the executor of that Will.

Jim was aware of the value of the Kosminski reference, because from the book being worth nothing when it came into his possession, he subsequently had it insured for £ 7,000.

[Rubyretro]

Here is a picture of DSS which -judging by the clothes and hair of the woman- dates from the early 1920s. Note that he is holding something very small in his right hand. He doesn't look as if he has any sign of Parkinsons or even difficulty grasping something so fine. His hand is not blurred more than the rest of the picture.

[The Good Michael]

Nobody has deigned to reply to my genuine question as to why, if the Kosminski stuff was present when Donald and Jim discovered the annotations, was no value put on the book at the division of the Estate ?

Jim was the executor of that Will.

Jim was aware of the value of the Kosminski reference, because from the book being worth nothing when it came into his possession, he subsequently had it insured for £ 7,000.

What value would you have put on it in 1981?

Mike

[Rubyretro]

What value would you have put on it in 1981?

Mike

Without the Kosminski mention ? Not a huge amount

Mentioning the name of JacK the Ripper, as known to the police ? A huge amount.

Oh....isn't this mean't to be the 'name of Jack the Ripper ?

This is what Nevill Swanson said to the Telegraph in 2008 :

[The Good Michael]

Without the Kosminski mention ? Not a huge amount

Mentioning the name of JacK the Ripper, as known to the police ? A huge amount.

Again, the interest in the Ripper isn't enough to command a large sum of money. No one except the few really care, so that being said, what was it worth? The answer: Who knows.

Mike

[Lechmere]

Mike
that's nonsense - it's very sellable - why the effort to down value it?