Dyatlov Pass incident

[c.d.]

A view of the tent as the rescuers found it on 26 February 1959

Yes, meaning the tent did not collapse under the weight of snow as you would expect from an avalanche. Heavy winds and the tent being cut could make it look like that. The area where the tent was set up was an area that did not have a history of avalanches and the hikers were experienced and would not have set their tent up in an area prone to avalanches. The expert in last night's show measured the slope and said that the incline shown was minimal and not one that would produce an avalanche. Further, the search party saw no signs of an avalanche. Everything in the tent (food and clothes) were what you would expect to see with nothing to indicate the chaos of an avalanche.

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[Pcdunn]

this is what probably happened:

they had deviated from there intended path and ended up higher on the mountain slope than they wanted. it was more exposed then a big snowstorm. in the middle of the night the snow/wind/frost/ice had built up so much that the tent collapsed (no avalanche-but they might have feared one). they couldn't get out the opening (maybe it was covered with snow and or frozen shut), panic sets in-so they cut there way out and made it down to the tree line. tried to make a fire. by this time it was so cold some were probably already dying. some tried to make it back to the collapsed tent but died of hypothermia. the ones at the fire died of cold too. the remaining tried to make it further down into the forest to find better shelter/ campsite and fell into the ravine-hitting rocks and died-hence the injuries. the ones that had injuries/missing eyes/tongue etc were probably predated on and or the soft tissues rotted away. not that big of a mystery really. to me anyway.

That covers most things besides the hiker with burned feet, as if he put them into the fire.
The obvious answer to eyes and tongue missing is insect activity after death -- particularly if the bodies remained out there longer than previously believed.
I need to revisit the TV show, as I don't remember the ravine part so well. Think they did discuss if the broken bones were from a fall. One expert suggested the crushed skull and ribs could have been from the weight of the snow and ice.

[Pcdunn]

I do cover this incident briefly in my book Myths and Mysteries-The real truth in which the killings were suggested by some researchers attributed to "The Russian Yeti"

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Myths-Mysteries-Truth-Trevor-Marriott/dp/B00S6BZ1XG/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=Trevor+Marriott&qid=1567439982&s=gateway&sr=8-6

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

I saw part two of the Expedition Unknown special (must remember to watch part one via On Demand this weekend), and Josh Gates said the Yeti theory seemed to be based a blurry photo found on one of the cameras, which apparently turned out to just be one of the hikers.

It was very interesting how the other two people with Josh all had different ideas. But, surely the most interesting thing discussed was newly found evidence that local authorities knew of the incident weeks earlier than the publicly known timeline. Cover-up for a scientific accident? Well, maybe the new investigation will solve this case!

[Abby Normal]

Just watched the second part of the Discovery Channel's show ("Expedition Unknown"). They actually traveled to the site. Good Lord, was it desolate. I think they said 35 degrees below zero with really high winds. Part of the team consisted of a woman who is supposed to be the leading expert on the case and a very prominent hardcore outdoor expert. Various theories were discussed and discarded. At the end of the show came the kicker. Several documents were discovered in the archives which indicated that the lead investigator of the rescue team had already headed to the site days before the announcement of the official departure of the rescue team indicating some sort of cover up. I think the Russian military was doing some sort of rocket or chemical weapons testing and the hikers were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The show's host seemed to think that it might have been some sort of freakish weather event perhaps a small avalanche or a series of events that we will never know perhaps a collection of mistakes made by the hikers who although experienced were still very young.

The show also announced that as a result of the new found documents the Russian government is reopening the case.

c.d.

hi CD
Unfortunately the History channel has fallen prey to the whole "reality" TV/sensationalism/fake news phenomena and a lot of there programming these days reflects that. as does a lot of my previously beloved documentary channels. kind of sucks : (

Russian conspiracies/cover ups? Secret military weapons testing? freak weather event? cmon CD

[Abby Normal]

The tent didn't collapse. It was still standing when rescuers reached the scene.

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A view of the tent as the rescuers found it on 26 February 1959

[c.d.]

Just watched the second part of the Discovery Channel's show ("Expedition Unknown"). They actually traveled to the site. Good Lord, was it desolate. I think they said 35 degrees below zero with really high winds. Part of the team consisted of a woman who is supposed to be the leading expert on the case and a very prominent hardcore outdoor expert. Various theories were discussed and discarded. At the end of the show came the kicker. Several documents were discovered in the archives which indicated that the lead investigator of the rescue team had already headed to the site days before the announcement of the official departure of the rescue team indicating some sort of cover up. I think the Russian military was doing some sort of rocket or chemical weapons testing and the hikers were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The show's host seemed to think that it might have been some sort of freakish weather event perhaps a small avalanche or a series of events that we will never know perhaps a collection of mistakes made by the hikers who although experienced were still very young.

The show also announced that as a result of the new found documents the Russian government is reopening the case.

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[c.d.]

this is what probably happened:

they had deviated from there intended path and ended up higher on the mountain slope than they wanted. it was more exposed then a big snowstorm. in the middle of the night the snow/wind/frost/ice had built up so much that the tent collapsed (no avalanche-but they might have feared one). they couldn't get out the opening (maybe it was covered with snow and or frozen shut), panic sets in-so they cut there way out and made it down to the tree line. tried to make a fire. by this time it was so cold some were probably already dying. some tried to make it back to the collapsed tent but died of hypothermia. the ones at the fire died of cold too. the remaining tried to make it further down into the forest to find better shelter/ campsite and fell into the ravine-hitting rocks and died-hence the injuries. the ones that had injuries/missing eyes/tongue etc were probably predated on and or the soft tissues rotted away. not that big of a mystery really. to me anyway.

The tent didn't collapse. It was still standing when rescuers reached the scene.

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[rjpalmer]

Thanks, Robert. That song sums it up! (And nice bass playing).

[Robert]

Ah Roger, you've been listening to this song about a young man's encounter with a group of ticket inspectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGxul6Xnh4

[rjpalmer]

I saw a documentary which suggested that infrasound could explain some of the reports of paranormal activity on the London Underground. Apparently it sets up feelings of unease, imagined glimpses out of the corner of the eye, etc.

I always thought that feeling of unease emanated from the three lads loitering on the platform, wearing leather jackets and neck tattoos.

[Robert]

I saw a documentary which suggested that infrasound could explain some of the reports of paranormal activity on the London Underground. Apparently it sets up feelings of unease, imagined glimpses out of the corner of the eye, etc.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The second part is on in five minutes (9:00pm EST), on the Discovery Channel.

Dammit! I’ll have to check for the repeat.

Thanks Wick.

[tanta07]

this is what probably happened:

they had deviated from there intended path and ended up higher on the mountain slope than they wanted. it was more exposed then a big snowstorm. in the middle of the night the snow/wind/frost/ice had built up so much that the tent collapsed (no avalanche-but they might have feared one). they couldn't get out the opening (maybe it was covered with snow and or frozen shut), panic sets in-so they cut there way out and made it down to the tree line. tried to make a fire. by this time it was so cold some were probably already dying. some tried to make it back to the collapsed tent but died of hypothermia. the ones at the fire died of cold too. the remaining tried to make it further down into the forest to find better shelter/ campsite and fell into the ravine-hitting rocks and died-hence the injuries. the ones that had injuries/missing eyes/tongue etc were probably predated on and or the soft tissues rotted away. not that big of a mystery really. to me anyway.

This sums up my feelings as well.

A tragic mixture of panic and extreme conditions.

[Wickerman]

Hello Wick,

Do we know when the second part is on yet?

The second part is on in five minutes (9:00pm EST), on the Discovery Channel.

[Abby Normal]

this is what probably happened:

they had deviated from there intended path and ended up higher on the mountain slope than they wanted. it was more exposed then a big snowstorm. in the middle of the night the snow/wind/frost/ice had built up so much that the tent collapsed (no avalanche-but they might have feared one). they couldn't get out the opening (maybe it was covered with snow and or frozen shut), panic sets in-so they cut there way out and made it down to the tree line. tried to make a fire. by this time it was so cold some were probably already dying. some tried to make it back to the collapsed tent but died of hypothermia. the ones at the fire died of cold too. the remaining tried to make it further down into the forest to find better shelter/ campsite and fell into the ravine-hitting rocks and died-hence the injuries. the ones that had injuries/missing eyes/tongue etc were probably predated on and or the soft tissues rotted away. not that big of a mystery really. to me anyway.