As it turns out, the Ripper Cabal is real...it's just not who you thought it was

[Jenni Shelden]

Hi Fleetwood,

I have to disagree with one thing. 125 years (nearly) on our interactions with each other and how this may affect how we view the evidence is important to the subject matter. We progress as a community. Yes based on the abilities of individuals to find things but also based on collective discussions and collaborative workings. The massage boards are the first point of contact for much of this. For instance Neil Bell and Rob Clack do a great deal together these days - whilst i dont know for sure i would hazard a guess they met via CB

Jenni

[Fleetwood Mac]

Nobody is saying that the facts are indisputable, although in every reasonable sense it is indisputable that Chapman was lying on the ground, not propped against a fence, as Trevor says in his stage show. However, it is Trevor's interpretation of the evidence that is seriously flawed, which he never answers, but dodges, ducks, and dives with silly one-liners and accusations of cartels and biases.

The problem here is that reason is subjective, as is interpretation.

There is no one here, or anyone else on this planet, with 'the truth', on any subject, sat in his/her lap.

In the event Trevor follows a different path - so what. In the event he chooses not to answer questions - so what. Who knows? Perhaps he sees something you don't - and perhaps he's right. It is possible that people who think they're right actually aren't. In the grand scheme of things he may lose some credibility among the establishment - but, a thread setting the lunatics in one corner and the 'truth' advocates in another?

And while everyone is here arguing on Ally's thread, not many are posting on the subject.

[Jenni Shelden]

Hello everyone!!

Ripperology can be a wonderful place filled with friendship. It can also be a place filled with back stabbing and lunacy. I have experienced both sides of this in my time.

I do think that when the idea of a cabal was first touted it was laughed down because there was a mistaken idea that people who had a shared belief that certain idea was not correct was in fact for a concerted effort to distort the truth. Nonetheless there are instances of genuine friendships on the board, perhaps formed with people who are more likely to share ones beliefs and hence support each others views? Personally I dont think i have ever posted boasting someone up because of a friendship when I didnt agree with what they were saying (however i have refrained from disagreeing for that reason). I also have found it perfectly agreeable to get on well with someone whilst publicly arguing with them. I also like to think there are a fair few examples of people who i am friendly with who i definatly do not agree with about certian Rippery things.

As long ago as 2000 when i first got interested in Ripperology people emailed me about stuff happening on CB. At the time i definitely felt they wanted me to post their opinion for them on here like it was mine. In retrospect maybe they were just trying to be helpful. Its always been cut throat (please excuse my appalling pun).

There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes in Ripperology - people out to get other people, people lying to get their ego in check or do down someone they have fallen out with (i am not pointing the finger to anyone when I say this) some of the time one knows as to some of the background. Some of the time it explodes publicly, sometimes one does not know.

I haven't posted on these boards in over a year, but i can read and I do communicate with people on fb on the other side and in private and hence still know some of what is going on. No one can know everything and when one isnt on here 24/7 one is out of tocuh. And of course only individuals truly know their own motivations.


the fact is we should all get along fine with each other, its just a hobby has long been the cry but large groups of people can never all get on with each other.

I have had my disputes with people in the past but never because of something directly to do with the case, usually to do with personal issues. I would like to think these are not issues when i see them post on the CB these days. Although if i think i have a problem i hit ignore. I don't see anything wrong with using that function either in moderation. However, I would not use it solely because i disagree about something Ripperological.

I often disgree with myself about such things.

Finally, I dont think Ally is divisive, at times very forthright, yes, honest in her opinion, yes, not one to beat around the bush, true. Someone who deliberately goes out of there way to stir up trouble- i think not. Just think about what one is even implying to suggest that!? Ally is as entitled to her views as the rest of us. Just because we might not always agree just because she asks for evidence, just because she is peristant,it doesn't mean she is doing anything wrong. Was starting this thread a little unfair? Maybe it was but then again she did it for a genuine reason it is certainly a thought provoking one. It made me discover new things - people harrassing people who know Neil Bell and trying to find out about his business??

I hope people would never talk about me behind my back and try and find out such things. I would hope i was not relevant enough to require it.

And as someone who knows these things an inactive account doesnt have to be a sign of anything

Just my opinion of course
Jenni

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[Simon Wood]

Hi Tom,

The "plot" is the status quo.

Regards,

Simon

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Ally,

You trying being without a Cabal for a while and tell me how YOU feel! And I'm not alone. I'm sure that's what has Dave's titties all twisted - over a thousand posts in the last 5 months (!!!) and not ONE PM asking him to join a cabal. As for me, I'm more of a cartel man, myself.

As for the 'plot', it seems to keep changing with each post.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Ally]

Tom,

Seriously if you haven't caught up to the plot by now, just keep silent so as to prevent yourself from constantly putting your foot in your mouth. No one but you has even mentioned Lynn.

YOU are the one who keeps dragging Lynn in. Either try to keep up or go warm the bench.

I realize you get pouty when you feel like you aren't being included, but come on...

[Monty]

Like Monty, I had a slightly longer and more detailed version of that post ready, and decided what the hell, it's not worth it...I don't know about you, but when it comes down to it, I come here as an escape for goodness sake! It's a hobby.

Ally/Monty/Paul...you and I could sit here all night blowing off posts to each other, and it wouldn't make the slightest difference...you probably wouldn't change your views, and nor probably would I mine...it's not worth it...it'd just be counterproductive...I suggest we give it a rest for a while...

Every good wish

Dave

Not speaking for Ally or Paul here but with due respect, I'm not interested in changing your views.

You've not had the experience I've had. Nor a good few others who have received certain Emails or had their personal $hite raked over.

So I appreciated that you are viewing this from a different perspective.

Simon,

Again, candid to the line without stepping over.

A wonderful skill you have. So, seeing as you've been around a while, maybe you can suceede where Trevor failed.

Evidencies?

Or are you just stoking the fires again?

Monty

[Cogidubnus]

Why the name? Famous, of course, to anyone interested in that period, but otherwise a tad on the obscure side, unless you come from Chichester I guess.

Hi Paul, I live in Bognor and work in Chichester...so you guess right!

All the best

Dave

[PaulB]

Oh my goodness, so all this about Lynn and Simon is because they're cryptic and make insinuations about what they know, but won't post the proof? That's not exactly an exclusive club on here, is it?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Not that I am aware of, no. It isn't all or even slightly about that.

[Tom_Wescott]

Oh my goodness, so all this about Lynn and Simon is because they're cryptic and make insinuations about what they know, but won't post the proof? That's not exactly an exclusive club on here, is it?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[PaulB]

Like Monty, I had a slightly longer and more detailed version of that post ready, and decided what the hell, it's not worth it...I don't know about you, but when it comes down to it, I come here as an escape for goodness sake! It's a hobby.

Ally/Monty/Paul...you and I could sit here all night blowing off posts to each other, and it wouldn't make the slightest difference...you probably wouldn't change your views, and nor probably would I mine...it's not worth it...it'd just be counterproductive...I suggest we give it a rest for a while...

Every good wish

Dave

You're right, of course. But it'd be nice to think that someone would speak up when they start knocking on the doors down your street.

Why the name? Famous, of course, to anyone interested in that period, but otherwise a tad on the obscure side, unless you come from Chichester I guess.

[Ally]

And people say I have no claim to make about insinuations, false accusations and then running away or coming in with nonsense to deflect when asked for evidence.


Lawyered.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

The first duty of a cult is to deny its own existence.

That's how they succeed.

Paranoid?

No, just been around a while.

Regards,

Simon

[Cogidubnus]

Like Monty, I had a slightly longer and more detailed version of that post ready, and decided what the hell, it's not worth it...I don't know about you, but when it comes down to it, I come here as an escape for goodness sake! It's a hobby.

Ally/Monty/Paul...you and I could sit here all night blowing off posts to each other, and it wouldn't make the slightest difference...you probably wouldn't change your views, and nor probably would I mine...it's not worth it...it'd just be counterproductive...I suggest we give it a rest for a while...

Every good wish

Dave