Pastor Urges Parents to "Man Up" and Punch Effeminate Children

[mariab]

Even nicer, Tom. And all women are nurses. Lol.

Though I wouldn't have minded a summer home in Hossegor or Hawaii.

Highjack: Did you see what I sent you about where the entrance to Dutfield's Yard is as of today? It's on the street now, not on the pavement.

[Ally]

And good for you for wearing heels - I tried it once... how in God's name can you walk in them? I nearly died!

Walk? Pshaw that's for amateurs. You should try dancing all night. That's when you separate the women from the girls.

Ally,

Okay, you've completely lost the plot with your blasphemy. There's never any call for that.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

And there's never any call for half the bigoted crap that rolls from your warped little noggin but that doesn't seem to stop you from sharing your blasphemy with the masses, now does it?

[mariab]

Walk? Pshaw that's for amateurs. You should try dancing all night. That's when you separate the women from the girls.

OK, then I'm a girl. (Or a slob. Mostly wearing Nikes everywhere, from fine restaurants to dates to parties to walking in deep snow. Though I've been known to walk on snow on flip flops or even barefoot. Snowboarders do this. Since I started snowboarding, I stopped wearing boots or coats. Lol.)

[Tom_Wescott]

Oh whatever Ally. I think it just unnerves you that you agree with me on 90% of the stuff I say.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Errata]

My grandfather was considered effeminate because he liked to cook. Never mind that he once sunk a German u-boat with his own helicopter.

[Chris Scott]

"There are even historians who have argued that Jesus and his disciples – you know what. At that time it wouldn't have been unusual, Tom. The Romans truly did it. A lot!"

Hi Dr H
I really cannot agree with you on that one.
I am not aware of a bona fide "historian" who has suggested that Jesus and/or his disciples were homosexual. It has certainly been suggested in various books but there are many people who promote sensational theories about the Bible and its characters who are not what I would call "historians."
"At that time it wouldn't have been unusual" - in some sections of ancient society, maybe. But I would suggest that among Jews who observed the Torah it would have been not only unusual but forbidden.
"The Romans truly did it" - again that has to be qualified. The Romans' attitude to male homosexuality was, like much else in the Roman world, adopted and adapted from ancient Greece. Many Romans - most notably some of their emperors, such as Nero and Hadrian - were hellenophiles. While male homosexuality was certainly tolerated - especially in the upper sections of society - it was viewed largely as a sort of cultural affectation and was not approved of if it became exclusive. As in Ancient Greece, a man may have had male lovers, but he was still expected to do his duty to the state by marrying and producing offspring. It is certainly the case that an emperor whose homosexual behaviour became exclusive or what was deemed to be excessive was putting himself in harm's way by such conduct. The flamboyant, effeminate conduct of the young emperor Elagabalus led to his downfall and death.
In the Roman world there was also the class aspect as well. Elalgabalus was partly condemned because the man he took as his "husband" was not patrician born but was a lowly charioteer.

[DrHopper]

"There are even historians who have argued that Jesus and his disciples – you know what. At that time it wouldn't have been unusual, Tom. The Romans truly did it. A lot!"

Hi Dr H
I really cannot agree with you on that one.
I am not aware of a bona fide "historian" who has suggested that Jesus and/or his disciples were homosexual. It has certainly been suggested in various books but there are many people who promote sensational theories about the Bible and its characters who are not what I would call "historians."
"At that time it wouldn't have been unusual" - in some sections of ancient society, maybe. But I would suggest that among Jews who observed the Torah it would have been not only unusual but forbidden.
"The Romans truly did it" - again that has to be qualified. The Romans' attitude to male homosexuality was, like much else in the Roman world, adopted and adapted from ancient Greece. Many Romans - most notably some of their emperors, such as Nero and Hadrian - were hellenophiles. While male homosexuality was certainly tolerated - especially in the upper sections of society - it was viewed largely as a sort of cultural affectation and was not approved of if it became exclusive. As in Ancient Greece, a man may have had male lovers, but he was still expected to do his duty to the state by marrying and producing offspring. It is certainly the case that an emperor whose homosexual behaviour became exclusive or what was deemed to be excessive was putting himself in harm's way by such conduct. The flamboyant, effeminate conduct of the young emperor Elagabalus led to his downfall and death.
In the Roman world there was also the class aspect as well. Elalgabalus was partly condemned because the man he took as his "husband" was not patrician born but was a lowly charioteer.

Hi Chris
Alas, I stand not guilty of the quote you give! Weren't me wot said it guv!
I think the person you need to address is 'mariab'
Actually I agree with in every way about your statements, and the way in which Roman homosexuality is viewed.

[Chris Scott]

My profound apologies Dr H
I looked back and you are absolutely right - I picked up the comment from a quote from mariab which you had included in one of your posts. I will be more observant in future:-)
Apologies again
Chris S