Pastor Urges Parents to "Man Up" and Punch Effeminate Children

[Archaic]

Hi Bunny

Ah, the American teeth! Why do they do it? You can't have a 60-year-old bloke sporting dazzling white choppers. It just looks silly.

Combined with plastic surgery and Botox, I think it looks scary!

Some of them look like perfectly coiffed white-fanged wax dummies from a horror show... it creeps me out.


OK... some of them don't have perfect hair. Unless you're into pink My Pretty Pony hair.

[Robert]

Hi Bunny

Ah, the American teeth! Why do they do it? You can't have a 60-year-old bloke sporting dazzling white choppers. It just looks silly.

[Magpie]

Well, I wasn't thinking about it in terms of damning people for their homosexuality. Most of the homophobes of my acquaintance are the colossally vain variety, where they think gay men will hit on them or sexually assault them. It doesn't occur to them that a gay man might not find them attractive, or that gay men are aware that straight men exist and respect that choice.

I've met a lot of homophobes for whom the only thing worse than the idea of a homosexual man hitting on them is the idea that a homosexual man might not find them attractive....

[Archaic]

If the need is a male influence, we need to target absent fathers rather than blame single mothers?
Men...get your act together...think of a way to get these men to bring up their sons?!

I agree with you Debs. And I agree with Drummond who said that children need male and female role models as well as exposure to diversity. Children are young human beings; therefore they need HUMAN role models.

Legislators in the state of Wisconsin want to pass a law saying that being a single parent is de facto "child abuse".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/glenn-grothman-wisconsin-law-single-parenthood-child-abuse_n_1316834.html

It's insane. Supposedly this bill will "promote marriage". Won't letting gay people who sincerely want to be married promote marriage?

As for parents, if you get married but divorce the day after the baby is born, is that OK? If your spouse dies of cancer and you choose not to remarry, are you a child-abuser?

Just for the record, 1 in 3 Wisconsin parents are single. There are 5 times as many female single parents as male single parents. Lets just hope those single parents have the time & energy to vote!

There seem to be a lot of pastors, preachers etc in America. Do they pass exams and get appointed to these positions, or can anyone open a church?

There is one requirement Robert: You have to have absolutely perfect hair. (Expensive suits and blindingly white teeth help.)

Best regards,
Archaic

[Errata]

And no, I can't admire people or "work with" people who admit that they are judging for actions they know the person is incapable of helping. That would be no different than wishing a life time of loneliness on a white guy because he's in love with a black girl, or a skinny guy who is in love with a fat girl, or any other attraction. Knowing someone cannot help who they love and condemning them for it anyway makes you even more despicable in my view. Ignorance, while pathetic, is a defense, but knowing someone is suffering and damning them for it for your own ego and comfort, makes you a tool and far worse in my opinion.

Well, I wasn't thinking about it in terms of damning people for their homosexuality. Most of the homophobes of my acquaintance are the colossally vain variety, where they think gay men will hit on them or sexually assault them. It doesn't occur to them that a gay man might not find them attractive, or that gay men are aware that straight men exist and respect that choice. And they don't go the "your going to hell" route, or the "beat the gay out of them" type. They typically just get profoundly anxious in the company of homosexuals. Which is unkind and unwarranted, but I get the same way about children, so I'm not unsympathetic to the notion of being uncomfortable around people who haven't done anything wrong. So when I see some guy white knuckling it through a social activity with a gay man, and he admits that it's not the gay man's fault, I feel like the kid is not entirely a lost soul. My best friend was like that, and it took about 5 years, but we beat it out of him. We made fun of him mercilessly and kept telling him that "god is love, but friends are awful", and unless he wanted to go out and make a new pack of friends, he should embrace god's love of all mankind and build up a tolerance before we drove him mad.

[mariab]

To be fair to Ally, she was responding to quite a provocative and offensive post.
Not only did Tom associate being gay with a 'defect' he went on to categorise it with seriously illegal sexual perversions.

I can almost understand how people who don't have contact with gay people in their life can be so uninformed as to associate being gay with a defect (or being lefthanded as a defect, lol), but anyone under the impression Tom was genuine when associating being gay with, whatever it was, pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, took that post at face value. Anyone who can spell "Rorschach test" correctly in another thread cannot be SOOO retarded. Tom simply likes to provoke. It validates him to put on a show as the resident "redneck" and then complain with all his whiney might that "everyone hates him", "the world is out to get him", "noone accepts his suspect". Lol. It's completely transparent.

I would love to see you take a Rorshach test. Your unwavering ability to overlook compelling evidence in favor of the irrelevant and mundane is a much bigger mystery to me than who killed Stride.

PS.: On second thought, he didn't spell "Rorschach test" right. I wouldn't have either. That and "Saskatchewan" has always been a spelling "tongue twister", lol. At least I can spell "Macnaghten".

RPS.: Pertaining to gender confusion, last night when producing the flyer/program for my conf I butchered a couple of peeps' names and spelled a "Lesley" as a "Leslie". Boy, she was pissed. (Plus spelled a "Falk" as "Frank", but this is unrelated. He got whiney.)

[Limehouse]

then it's because you are choosing to date girls despite your overwhelming desire to go down on a guy

How in the hell you can continue to pull this crap, attack people who dont agree with you, chase useful posters off this site and not get banned is beyond me. get a life.

To be fair to Ally, she was responding to quite a provocative and offensive post.

Not only did Tom associate being gay with a 'defect' he went on to categorise it with seriously illegal sexual perversions.

[Ally]

You have to wonder if that pastor would advise that parents encourage "manly" behavior in their young sons. Every time they belch, fart, scratch their private parts or smash a beer can into their head, you slap them on the back and say "nice job, son. Now you're getting it."

c.d.

LOL...

[c.d.]

You have to wonder if that pastor would advise that parents encourage "manly" behavior in their young sons. Every time they belch, fart, scratch their private parts or smash a beer can into their head, you slap them on the back and say "nice job, son. Now you're getting it."

c.d.

[c.d.]

By the way, that putz of a pastor got so much flak for his comments that he now says he was merely joking. Yeah, right.

If someone claims that homosexuality is a choice, ask them for the details of that momentous day when they decided to go straight. That should shut them up.

c.d.

[Ally]

Oh I agree it's a choice - but only if we are choosing whether or not to have sex, not our inherent preference - just like it's a choice to have straight sex. No one is required by law to have sex, so every time you do it, you are making a choice.

But whenever people say it's a choice, they are implying, completely, that they are attracted to same sex couplings and are just choosing not to do it.

And no, I can't admire people or "work with" people who admit that they are judging for actions they know the person is incapable of helping. That would be no different than wishing a life time of loneliness on a white guy because he's in love with a black girl, or a skinny guy who is in love with a fat girl, or any other attraction. Knowing someone cannot help who they love and condemning them for it anyway makes you even more despicable in my view. Ignorance, while pathetic, is a defense, but knowing someone is suffering and damning them for it for your own ego and comfort, makes you a tool and far worse in my opinion.

[Errata]

You have got to love the logic in that.

Well, if I am to be scrupulously fair about this, there is some truth in the "it's a choice" argument. I mean, you have to step back a certain distance and focus your eyes correctly like those optical illusion pictures that were so popular in the 90s, but it is there.

They absolutely choose to act on their impulses. As do we all. And to a majority of the "it's a choice" crowd, the real sin is in not being so desperate for their approval that they will subsume all of their biological impulses to gain the approval of the complainer in question.

Or to put it another way, it isn't that they are gay, although thats "gross". It's that they don't conform to some guy's standards of behavior and pretend to be straight in order to gain that guy's approval. People HATE that. It's "How dare you not want my approval, and how dare you flout MY notions of acceptable behavior and not conform to my standards in order to make me more comfortable?"

And I may have lost my standards over the years, but homophobes who are honest about that point... I can't say I admire them, but I feel like I can work with them if that makes sense.

[Ally]

Any one else see the irony in Abby Normal coming on this thread solely to attack me and complain about me attacking others and being so jonesed for the offense, that she replied twice to the same post? No? Just me then...

Hypocritical people slay me, they really do.

Very few things fall into the solely nature or solely nurture column. However, the three most significant influences on our sexuality come from modeling, exposure, and biology. If modeling alone was responsible for sexuality, there would be no homosexuals, and two men can't make a baby, thus cannot model homosexuality for very young children (and this is essentially locked by the time you start school). Exposure (meaning what we know about sex and when) influences our attitudes on sex, but not our sexuality. Then of course there is biology. Specifically, the interpretation of pheromones. That is hard wired. It's why a vast majority of us are not sexually attracted to our siblings. It cannot be interpreted in any other way, and it can't be reprogrammed. If a man derives sexual attraction from male pheromones, that's it. game over. It isn't a "birth defect". It isn't a defect at all. Any more than left handedness is a defect. My uncle certainly suffered for his left handedness growing up in Catholic schools, but in the end, it's not a maladaptive trait.

Here's what I find interesting about the "it's a choice" crowd. If they are claiming that gay is not an inherent characteristic, then there are only two possibilities that leaves open if you really analyze their position:

1. There is absolutely no such thing as innate sexual attraction. Therefore, guys only sleep with women because it's been modeled, but any guy, Tom, Dick or Harry could CHOOSE to sleep with men if they wanted to, and feel absolutely no different about that than sleeping with a woman.

2. All people are equally attracted to both male and female sexes and men again choose to sleep with women only because it is more socially conventional, but again, could CHOOSE to sleep with a guy if they wanted to, as they are equally attracted to men as to women.

However, if you ask a raving homophobe or a "It's a choice" they Always, but always profess their absolute disgust at the idea of sleeping with the same sex, usually with lots of "yucky" faces.

Which means, like the above poster, they are completely oblivious to their own hypocrisy. Either that, or they really think that some guy, who is REALLY attracted to women, is for some random, and completely unfathomable reason, going to choose to have sex with another guy, distasteful though he may find it, and choose to have all the resulting negative crap that goes with that (reviling within the community, disowning, hate crimes, beatings, deaths, being lit on fire, lack of rights, etc), people will choose to do that, all so they can spend 40 years doing things that really deep down gross them out, and they'd really rather be with the opposite sex partner but are just you know...not doing it?

You have got to love the logic in that.

[Abby Normal]

This is true. The hysterical irrationality of men when it comes to their perceived maleness is truly too baffling for logical women to understand.



Right again Tom. Senator McCain, Oral Roberts, and Dick Cheney are all turning their kids gay with their right wing, religious homophobic propaganda. I mean really if religious right wingers can't raise their kids up straight, what hope do the rest of us have.

I presume if you believe sexuality is a choice, then it's because you are choosing to date girls despite your overwhelming desire to go down on a guy?

then it's because you are choosing to date girls despite your overwhelming desire to go down on a guy

How in the hell you can continue to pull this crap, attack people who dont agree with you, chase useful posters off this site and not get banned is beyond me. get a life.

[Limehouse]

This is true. The hysterical irrationality of men when it comes to their perceived maleness is truly too baffling for logical women to understand.



Right again Tom. Senator McCain, Oral Roberts, and Dick Cheney are all turning their kids gay with their right wing, religious homophobic propaganda. I mean really if religious right wingers can't raise their kids up straight, what hope do the rest of us have.

I presume if you believe sexuality is a choice, then it's because you are choosing to date girls despite your overwhelming desire to go down on a guy?

Bravo!