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Among other needed improvements, The Daily Mail ought to at least use normal English. The opening sentence reads, "There was nothing immaculate about a Catholic school teacher’s conception." Clearly they do not know the difference between immaculate and miraculous.Originally posted by c.d. View Post -
Hello Heinrich,
They were attempting to make a joke. In Catholic theology, Mary conceiving Jesus while still a virgin is known as the Immaculate Conception.
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Erm ... in Catholic theology, the Immaculate Conception refers to the dogma that Mary was conceived without the stain of Original Sin. It has nothing to do with the Virgin Birth.Originally posted by c.d. View PostComment
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Hi Heinrich, that's interesting. I'd never heard that (about the Immaculate Conception). I'm a Christian, but not a Catholic, and I don't understand their veneration of Mother Mary. Obviously, she was quite special (as was Joseph), as she was chosen by God, but praying to anyone other than God or Jesus doesn't make sense to me.
Yours truly,
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Surely it is not uncommon for Christians ask others to pray for them?Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
The logic is that people who have died and are now in God's presence are in a special position to intercede for those in need. It has to do with the Communion of Saints and the belief that those of faith who have passed-on are still alive and actively assisting those in need through their intercession.Comment
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Don't see what's so wrong about it really. At least she didn't get pregnant to one of her own students, wouldn't be the first time that's happened....
Cheers,
Adam.Comment
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I see that "friends in high places" applies in the next world as well as this one.Comment
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Immaculate Conception
Hello Heinrich, Tom. Heinrich, you are the first person in recent memory to articulate the doctrine of Immaculate Conception correctly.
I recall the comedian, David Brenner, claimed to have attended a high school by that name. A major problem for the school's cheerleaders was, "Give me an 'I', give me an 'M', Give me an 'M' . . . ." You get the idea.
Tom, in older British parlance, to ask a favour of one is "to pray one."
Cheers.
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Nor to anyone else for that matter since it doesn't work. Partly because God doesn't exist and Jesus was just a bloke.Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
This article is a good example of how religious institutions are quite happy to move the goalposts for the sake of pragmatism - i.e. the reason for the teacher's sacking was changed when it became clear that the initial one was illegal. Utter hypocrisy.
Best wishes,
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It certainly makes financial sense for the churches, for saints mean shrines and relics, and that means coin donations, and that means....a nice little earner.Comment
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Hello Heinrich,Originally posted by Heinrich View Post
I was wrong and you are in fact correct. My apologies.
As far as the lawsuit, I have to side with the school. It is not unreasonable for a private school to set conditions for employment that are in line with their beliefs. She read the contract and signed it thereby agreeing to abide by its conditions. She was given a salary in return. She knowingly violated those conditions and was rightfully let go. Yes, it probably could have been done in a classier manner but this is ultimately a legal question.
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No apology called for, c.d. I just used a bit of trivia in order to discredit the Daily Mail. If it got a simple matter of established Catholic doctrine wrong in the first sentence of the article, how can you trust the rest of the report. Being casual with the facts is not good journalism and it tells you something of that newspaper's standards. The writers assume their readers are just as ill-informed as they are.Originally posted by c.d. View PostComment
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